just a thought... dont take it too seriously...


as a shadow is basically an expression of an object illuminated by light

we are as much the shadow as we are the object and the light that permeates all

the world is the shadow of our minds, the light illuminates it all and is beyond description

my last exprience was dark/cheotic i felt i was littarely dying forgot i even took the hit, i was dying, my organs felt like they smashed and i fell into this intense geometrical patern space, this what i think it tought me there- you see u r just a mortal being, in this space nothing metters - u r nothing and u r evrything - nothing matters here- and i thought to my self , shit but so many things i care about that does matter, i havn't lived here enough and im allready ready to die, whats wrong with me... and then when i came down i felt very much alive in a long time i saw evrything with child eyes, and though the hit was extremly scary i feel like it gave me alot of new wisdom that i lacked, every trip i had, ive learned new wisdoms - and nothing that i could ever preper for. i tend to believe that trips come from within us, from our inner self, shadows r awosome, nights r awsome and darkness and light r the same thing. wich reminds that during my trip i felt as though im beating like a heart, one beat im light and exciting the next one im a black hole and so on... i think- u should embrace the shadows first to truley appriciate the light...

Scary to who? And I seriously wonder about intention with a statement like that.

To you? That is contradictory to what you wrote and not necessary for the work/growth to happen in a meaningful manner. DMT can show you all kinds of things in reasonable doses.

To us? Don't bother. We have seen it before and it really does go against the Attitude here.

To your parents? Other loved ones? Really? Can't you try talking first. I mean adults talk things out. Kids act out. . . . Right?

To greater society? Don't bother. Already scared and not caring other than desiring to lock you up for daring to embrace this work.

To defeat this high tolerance you claim? Why not incrementally increase your dose and map out the various levels of hyperspace for yourself? Or, better yet, as suggested, pre-dose with harmalas, or radically improve your smoking/vaping tek . . . . ? This way your spice lasts longer. You don't wind up burning up a quarter gram just to get off.




Hey there Shroomelina,

Just wanted to welcome you here and give you a nod. This is part and parcel of the DMT signature and body load for me. It rips me from my conscious self and my body sense. Even if I fully recall that the last thing I did was vaped a guaranteed breakthrough dose (35 mgs with the GVG).

Your experience here, though it could maybe be edited a bit better, resonates to me with the clarion bell tone of DMT. If you continue to work with this amazing molecule, given enough time or enough immersive doses, this will happen again.


Folks, this is why the INTEGRATION process is SO important. It's gonna happen again if you don't give up the work. The work/growth occurs when I am baseline from the tripping state. It occurs during the integration process.

And it is very, very deep.

a crack pipe is the same as a light bulb pipe, they are horrible and the magic should never see one.

Okay, I think you are looking to deep into what I said. The word "scary" was used as a substitute for "large". I mean nothing by it. It is not against any attitude. It was nothing but an adjective used in passing that was taken the wrong way. As a matter of fact, I highlighted a statement you made in bold/red up there. That is a bad attitude. I am rather offended by your insinuating that I am childish or less than an adult. Its a insulting. I am not a child. I have not been a child in a long time. Do not wonder about my intentions. They are pure. I am not a liar. I want to learn. I want to grow. And if I feel I need to increase my dose to do so then I will. No one is a better authority on what I can handle than I am. No one is a better authority on my experiences than I am.

DMT is not some mystical, magical compound. It may lead you to mystical places and reveal things of significance to you but a dose is a dose. You increase the dose, you increase the effects. That's a fact. It isn't magic. That being said, you mention a "reasonable" dose. Well if the dose I am using is not taking me too far out and I feel I can handle MUCH more, than a reasonable does would be more than I am taking. Either that or increase the efficiency of the method I am using to dose. I deal in fact. Not magic. The fact is that I had a profound experience and I am looking for more. The fact is my vaping method or dose is not correct. The fact is to fix that I either need to increase my dose or change methods or both.

I will continue to work with this molecule and I will continue to grow with it. I will also continue to increase my dose until it is the right amount and then increase it more when the time comes. I appreciate the insight and help from all of you and I will keep you updated on future revelations or significant experiences.

I agree with Pandora about ramping up gradually. If you are using an efficient vapourising device and getting your dose all in one go you really do not need large amounts. I have found that an extra 5mg in the VG can make a massive difference. I understand that you are an adult and that it is you, and you alone, that has dominion over your drug intake and i respect that. But, for people who have experience of how shocking this substance can be, posting about vaping "scary (large) amounts" can come across as irresponsible and a bit macho.

Hey Anarkid,

Look man, I'm very sorry you feel this way. I certainly did not mean that. Good ole mis-communication eh? Takes two to tango. At least I'd be the first to admit.

The truth is, regardless of your age, I'm probably about twice it. Sorry, that is just the way it is. I sincerely apologize if I came across as patronizing. My INTENTION was to state from the start that since you were concerned with what I thought was shadow material, that I had had a crap-load of real-life experience spanning decades with a huge number of tests and a mountain of shadow material to weed through. The icebergs in MY mind ever since the immolation death of part of my family have been large and dark indeed.

You see AnarKID, I am Pandora, and I have a bad habit of opening a variety of boxes around here.

I ACCEPT that everyone here is adult, the age of consent of the majority culture, i.e. at least 18 years of age. I KNOW you are an adult.

But, don't YOU know as an ADULT that adults can act up, that adults can act out without thinking about what is underneath it all, that adults can in fact have intentions that are at times a bit wonky? Haven't you seen this in your breadth of experience?

Anyway, sorry for the miscommunication. I'm sure you know exactly what you are doing and that everything will work out perfectly.

No. Not at all. I do not know exactly what I am doing. I'm quite certain everything will not always work out perfectly. I would absolutely hate for it to. What a boring existence. Perfection. I will make mistakes. I will mess up. I accept this. I embrace it because there is no better teacher than experience. I harbor no hard feelings for a miscommunication or a misunderstanding.

By the way, I see what you did with the AnarKID thing. The "kid" part of my username has nothing to do with age. It is part of actual name as we discussed in the "What does your username mean to you?" thread a while back. I can see where you'd make the assumption that it has to do with age. Buuuuuutttttt assumptions can prove misleading don't you think?

A well versed and well tripped older friend of mine once gave me some advice on one of my first trips: if you see a dragon, jump into its mouth. Don't be afraid, face the fear.

I've only had to two it twice, but once on a DMT trip I literally jumped into the jaws of some gremlin confronting me. After that I broke through and it was a fabulous journey.

Just my two cents...

I've wondered several times since this experience about what would have happened had I just walked through that veil. I almost felt unworthy to come behind it. Like I didn't belong there. Even though physically it is just a veil into my own damn bathroom. I just felt like I wasn't supposed to go in there yet. Then the voice spoke and it was pretty much over. Then again, if I had've went in there and broken through like that, it might not have been a pretty sight since I was standing up and walking around and all. I would hate to fall and break my face on a toliet seat...

No need to wonder just vape a higher dose and sit down and meditate and see for yourself.

I agree,

DMT isn't scary.

Only our reactions to it can cause discomfort.

Get rid of your reactions, get rid of your discomfort.

oh. I missed that part. For this molecule I've always been sitting down and I highly recommend that.

I totally agree. I had no intention of getting out of my seat when I began. It just kind of happened. No real difficulty moving around, just very strange feeling...

Yeah, take the hit and lay back......Though I once got up as well. I took the hit, saw the Aztec color mandalas falling down upon me and I'm like, no, not now. I got up and walked around my house, looking at it as though I'd never seen it before, because in a way I hadn't. The house kept changing into other houses that were similar but slightly out of true.

At the time I had a basement full of pot plants (oh, I miss my babies), only they weren't pot plants anymore, but some other kind of plant. I went upstairs. My dog looked like a stuffed animal, totally unreal. I looked across the street and my neighbors houses were all different, like I was in a new neighborhood; the houses kept morphing and changing.

It was a nice experience, but I always lay down now when I smoke. But moving can be very productive (and destructive, breaking bongs and things).

Everything in my house was just melting. Nothing looked any different that normal. It was just melting. I will be tying some enhanced leaf I made tonight so we will see what the void has to offer me this time...