Tough to say. On a bad day, Swim gets only a little over 6g from 450g of bark. That's from a super supplier that has real good bark, which is one factor. Now you basically did 1/9 of that, meaning if you got swim's yields you'd have roughly 6/9 of a gram, or 2/3, or ~666mg. You got two thirds of that. Could be your bark, could be your tek. Could be cuz you're working with such small amounts, those couple hundred mg that always get lost sticking to the sides of your containers and whatnot are a bigger deal than they are to swim who does a pound at a time at least.

For what it's worth, swim doesn't lose a whole lot during the freebasification process, but again he's working with larger numbers. Also swim gets those yields going STB with NaOH, after cooking the bark in an acidic solution for a few hours (these daze he cooks in a crock pot with 23g citric acid per pound for several hours before pouring the whole thing, liquid and bark sludge and all, into his basification chamber and adding hella NaOH, this seems to give the ultimate yield). Anyway maybe try again using this mehtod, with more bark... I dunno. YMMV.



Sorry man didn't answer cuz I don't know. Never tried a dry tek before. Might work. Lemme know if you try it.

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A few more things I thought of that may be pertinent:

Swim no longer uses vinegar to salt out, cuz he's found that if you evap vinegar it leaves behind some kinda residue. Obviously it's not harmful and probly won't make it thru to the final stage if you're freebasing, but it makes the acetate salt solution taste yucky (he likes to dissolve 'em in hot water and keep 'em in an eyedropper bottle for oral administration by adding a dropperfull to a shot of water and taking it on top of harmaloids).

These daze he uses glacial acetic acid. It's nice cuz you can drop some into your dimitrified limo and it clouds up as the alkaloids crash out. Then he adds a little distilled water, lets it set overnight so they all salt out, and evaps for a much cleaner acetic salt goo, which is then redissolved in a little hot distilled water.

Salting out time seems to be a factor... you will lose yield if you don't allow enough time for diffusion to make all the alkaloids go from limo to gar. Keep that in mind if you find your yields are lower than Swim's, there may still be some in your limo.

Um... So... Does it ever dry from this nasty brown goo that comes after freebasing and filtering?

And is it supposed to be brownish/red in the acetate form? Like... browny-red chunky snot that stays chunky and snotty? (Think jungle dmt color)

Haha, I think I might have killed this batch...

And at every step the d-limonene made nasty creamy skin-like gooish emulsions upon shaking. How's that for normal?

Nobody mentioned them. I think its bad juju.

I guess I'll start a new thread rather than try and bring people into an ancient one.

Could one use zinc in the initial mix to convert n-oxides? Or would this only work with more water available? Would one have to add much more water if this was the case?

How much zinc would be recommended?

if citric acid is used instead of vinegar - how much citric acid should be added to the water ?

The good thing with vinegar is that acetic acid is volatile and it can be evaporated off in the oven, leaving its salts behind. Citric acid does not evaporate that easily so it will taint the spice-citrates. But this should not be a problem if one's planning to freebase the spices.

...in which case 3x washes of the limonene with 50ml of 1% citric acid should suffice without overusing the citric acid. This is however a guesstimate, SWIM has never gone this route, but it should work.

when converting dmt acetate back to freebase can sodium carbonate be used ?

sure can, although I think calcium hydroxide would be better.

When converting the fumarate back to freebase, SWIM only uses sodium carbonate, because lime tends to float around in acetone, making it difficult to decant. Is there any reason that lime would be better suited for the acetate?

swim has now done this proceedure but the final product is a goo - does it eventually xtalize ? any ideas on teks to get it xtal without any petrochems - perhaps completely overloading some warm dlimonene with the goo then freeze precipping it - even if swim gets 1 xtal it will be fine - the rest can be evapped and smoked as goo - its not really too bad just more irritating to handle.

swim noticed something strange - he put all his dlimonene extracted freebase and put it in a bowl with some warm d-limonene and not all of it would disolve ...???
whats going on here - not a huge amount of d-limonene was added but it was added until it wasnt making a difference and no more would dissolve - there is now fully fully saturated dlimo and the stuff that didnt disolve which looks like goo - is it possible that the d-limonene would rather take up 1 alkaloid if both are available in excess in a similar way to how salt is used in the manske rue extraction ? perhaps on drying the jungle portion changes form somehow and is no longer soluble in d-limonene ? a change of form of jungle spice is noted on this form somewhere.

if so perhaps this is the route to cleaner spice - ?
any one else had the experience of d-limonene extracted spice refuzing to disolve in d-limonene ?

SWIM just found a source of Limonene so is looking to try this tek soon. (he is currently preparing for his first attempt with Citric acid / FASA tek)
Is there an alternative to the food dehydrator in ron69's tek? I mean... would leaving it in a warm place for a while work as well, or in the oven on low temp?

Thanks

I'd also like to know - how does ron69's tek compare with SyZyGyPSy's?
Ron69's seems a lot simpler, with no boiling required. Anyone tried both? I assume one is 'dry' the other is 'wet' ?

Thanks

Why couldn't SWIM just pull with Acetone after getting the freebase and calcium junk?

Then SWIM could even convert to fumerate with FASA, and wash with Acetone a few times, then convert back to freebase with sodium carbonate or calcium hydroxide??? Perhaps? SWIM is not an expert. He is just wondering.

SWIM had the idea of converting the freebase to fumerate then washing with acetone a few times to get rid of any lye that might have been in it from lye/solvent STB extractions. SWIM tried this with some DMT that had been extracted with DCM that was very oily and orangish. He tried converting this to fumerate then washing a few times with Acetone and it turned into a nice powdery yellow. SWIM hasn't tried converting it back to freebase yet but he thinks it should turn out pretty damn sweet. SWIM thinks that perhaps this might remove some of the goo from the d-limonene freebase or perhaps refine it a bit but would like the experts opinion on the matter.

Also curious, how harmful is Acetone compared with d-limonene? I know some people in the original thread were concerned with the health issues of d-limonene, but I've also heard that Acetone is found in the human body in small amounts.

SWIM is almost at the end of ron69's tek. Currently he is patiently waiting for the filtered limonene to evaporate. It seems to be taking quite a while, and thinking it had finished he tried to scrape up the residue... it was in fact still wet and quite sticky! SWIM, like SWI Phlux is just wondering how dry it gets with this tek. He is not worried about pretty crystals, as he is looking to enhance some leaf.

Phlux - did SWIY ever get anything remotely dry with this tek?

Another question - asked also in another thread:

If SWIM was planning to make some enhanced leaf from his limonene-extracted goo, what would be the best solvent to use? Would ISO Alcohol do the trick? Or more limonene?

ISO would probably be best..because d-limo will cling to the plant matter a bit

Thanks - the only concern now is dosing - how the hell does one weigh sticky goo???

Just thinking - would one be able to estimate the amount of freebase from the weight of the acetate?
SWIM weighed his acetate to work out how much calcium hydroxide to mix in, and it was around 3g.