Sorry if this has been answered before, but I have searched and searched and didn't find any answer
I've read that a weed pipe is good enough, but I'm not much of a smoker so I don't know if there's a difference between a weed pipe and a tobacco pipe?

I'd like to know if the VG/GVG is better for the sandwich method than a regular pipe would be?

I dont have a lot of money and if I'm gonna get a VG it's gonna be the GVG or the sherlock! I dont want to have the urge to upgrade my pipe, and spend money on two in stead of one

also with tobacco pipes, you can get cool gandalf style looking pipes which are pretty cool IMO

morning decibel,

a pipe is pretty much a pipe, any will do the business. Personally id go for a bong if your gonna use the sandwich method and if your gonna sandwich id infuse instead its the same but better.

good luck

I have been thinking of infusing my spice! But would that work as good in any pipe as sandwiching?
My logic tells me when u have infused - or simply some crystals - the VG/GVG is the way to go?

I'm in the search for a practical and discreet way to take my spice experiences out in the open, and I dont think a bong is? But then again the GVG ain't that discreet either

I think by far the most effective way to dive into are the mystery are GVG for crystals and a bong for changa/infused herb. I think infusing is superior to the sandwiching your magic.

why would you partake in the magic in a place that you have to hide?

Hehe I wouldn't do it a place where I'd need to hide.. But I'd love to do it in the forest or any other beautiful place. And when I'm lying on the ground enjoying the magic, and someone should pass by, I prefer not send the wrong signals with a bong or something that looks like a hitech crackpipe specially if it should be folks hiking with their kids or something

That would constitute 'Smuggling' and is strictly against our Attitude

Sorry for that I will delete it right away! I'm just an explorer who likes to have his gear with him all the time, didn't want to break any forum rules here!

I too like to carry my pipe in my rucksack, even when I'm sure I won't smoalk that day, call it fetishism. Just like I always carry my crystal ball even if I won't gaze in it

But in this country laws have been changed a couple of years ago, allowing the police to search your person regardless of suspicion; it's called a 'preventive search' in the local newspeak. I've seen it happen at metrostations where everyone leaving a train gets a pat down and has their bags searched.

I shiver at the tought and the period of history this practice is reminiscent of.

I take good care that I don't accidentally carry any contraband when crossing a border- I was once travelling with a fellow student when he got arrested in an international train for a tiny piece of hash he didn't even know was in his pocket. Since then I even leave my laptop at home because of all the weed crumbs in the keyboard


So I can sympathize with the and so on category where you don't want to raise suspicion. A pipe, Magritte-style, would definitely raise less questions than a The Machine-like contraption. May I just suggest a bowler hat to go with it

AFAIK the smoke from classical tobacco pipe is not supposed to be inhaled. The pipe is slowly sucked on, so to let the tobacco smoulder gently. I know of pipe smokers' associations holding contests for keeping a pipe alight for the longest time.

A weed pipe is inhaled, and it burns much hotter. If you smoke weed a few times in a tobacco pipe, you'll burn through the pipe.

While you'll want to inhale the changa/sandwich mix, it shouldn't be smoked too hot. IMO the best method to smoke changa is to mostly vaporise it with the hot lighter exhaust gasses and the point of combustion should be postponed as long as possible. So a tobacco pipe might actually be useful for your purpose.

Another advantage of a (used) tobacco pipe is that the typical pipe tobacco contains a boatload of flavorings. That might help to obfuscate/drown out the otherwise quite unmistakable spice waft coming from used spice smoking devices.

A disadvantage of typical tobacco pipes is the large size of the payload chamber. Maybe you can find one with a small chamber or else make up a dilute changa mix.

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One other disadvantage (if you plan on carrying it in public) is that your pipe will smell strongly of spice and the smell will be hard to remove. If you do end up being on the road with a used spice pipe and get picked up it will be obvious you have been working with chemicals.

Haha yes for sure must have a bowler hat to go with the pipe!

But yeah, it's just how you mention it just want to have my smoking device with me at all time, and move freely under the radar! We also have this "preventive searches" in my country, but not in such extent; searching whole metro stations and so.. Only places with high crime rate - and I try not to go to these places.




Awesome! Thats seals the deal for me I'll get a regular pipe until the money is there for a proper VG!
And thank you for the info about not keeping them hot for too long




True, the GVG has an advantage on the cleaning/smelling issue. Anyhow I'm gonna try it out for a while until, I can afford a VG

Thank you all for the replies!

In short yes you can but still be wary of over heating it to not burn the spice, treat it as the pure freebase itself and fan the flame, once the "sandwhich" herb lights remove the flame and don't let it burn to long as in if you need multiple hits as soon as you stop inhaling maybe have a peice of tinfoil handy to press out the ember in the bowl to ensure it doesn't waste the minimal spice you have. as such a small amount of the vapor of spice missed is the difference between a full blown trip and almost no effect in my experience.

Sounds quite complicated to get a good smoke from the sandwich method, with the tinfoil and all in mind. Anyhow the pipe has been ordered, so I'll give it a try or two Thanks for sharing this with me, it's probably going to save me some first time troubles

its really not, in fact it couldn't be easier,

herb
magic
herb
light
puff tuff
done

I've had great results with the ash sandwich: a screen, a bed of ash, spice sample, more ash on top to protect the spice from the naked flame. The screen is pretty important, especially if the throat of the pipe is wider than 3mm or so (just recently forgot the screen and got a tongueload of spicy ash, yech). Since the ash doesn't burn you won't fill your lungs with incidental smoke, it's pure vapor; and the overall temperature stays lower so you won't melt your hardware. I use MJ ash but if you are a tobacco user, tobacco ash works great too.

As far as the discretion issue goes, you can do the Keith Richards thing: buy a box of cheap wooden tobacco pipes, then you can use/lose at times when you are out of your home safety zone. No smelly hardware in your pack that way. But let's face it, any kind of pipe will raise suspucion these days unless you are 60 and wearing a tie. All my best experiences have been here in my safe and comfortable compound... There are a number of reasons why we discourage anything that seems like smuggling. Partly it's to protect our members from trouble... Partly because it's totally unnecessary for those seeking a transcendental experience. If you really want to do it in the woods, find a place where contact with the public is as unlikely as possible, and do it with a sitter who can monitor the situation, just in case.

When it comes to smoking outside there's only one way for me and that's changa. Just get a small 15$ bong.

This was also how I perceived it would be like, until I read TOXSIN's post, where he writes that a tinfoil cap should be used to prevent vapor vanishing etc..




What is MJ? I am not a tobacco user, but I guess ash is pretty much the same where ever it comes from? At first I was thinking about burning some paper and collecting the ash..?


True, and one day when the money is there I am going to buy a GVG and I'm sure that all the thoughts I have about discretion today, will not be thought of when I'm in the mood for a walk in the woods However I still think that that's one of the cool things about the VG's. The undercover design


Certainly, that would be how I would plan to do it




I can see that a bong is a very popular way of smoking spice, and I'm sure it must be on of the best - if not the best - way to smoke it. But I'm a former hardcore hash addict, and a bong just remind of that chapter in my life, which I am happily over. So I do not have the best associations with that tool Maybe I shouldn't look at it like that, but If I can get other methods to work for me, I'm gonna do with them

MJ= MariJuana

Sorry, I always hate when people talk in hipster lingo that I can't follow, and here I am doing it.

For the record, almost all my best spice journeys have been outdoors. The soundscape alone makes it way more magical, IME.

Hehe no biggie

And yeah, I hear that a lot! Can't wait to experience it my self!

you perceived it correctly. I guess you could use a foil cap but that seems pointless to me, just spark it and puff tuff, the amount you may loose due to smoke coming off the cherry is minimal IMO.

good luck

good luck