I have searched and cannot seem to find any example of a true changa experience (lengthened and slower/more manageable launch with MAOIs involved) where things went poorly and the slap was extended. Can any of you changa veterans speak to this question, is this something to be worried about in a first time changa session?

My story:
I have roughly 15 vaped xtal experiences, and have not yet had a true launch by descriptions I have read but I am not terribly worried or anxious to get there, I know it will happen when the time is right. All of my attempts have been amazing, and I've had some memory loss in a few of them so I may have been there and just can't recall. Based on my experiences with aya, xtal, and shrooms, I know I have a very high natural tolerance to psychadelics compared to my very experienced friends.

A trusted friend has made some changa that is 50/50 mint and blue lotus, with and equal amt of spice mixed with a 10x vine root alcohol solution and evaped. We are planning to try it next week, and my only concern is as stated above...........do I need to be worried about a long slap?

Thank you friends, appreciate any insight you may have!

I have honestly never understood terms like "hyper-slap". I guess it's just not part of my reality to sum difficult experiences up to something like that.

Yes, changa can do what freebase can do..it is still freebase DMT.

Indeed, and harmalas would have the same effects on a "hyperslap" (not a huge fan of the word either, but to each his/her own) as they would on any other DMT flash.

Appreciate the responses! So has anyone had a very long, bad time with changa? How would you compare it with other bad experiences?

I have a hard time having bad experiences. I really have to work pretty hard to screw up my journeys. I.e.- forget to turn off the cell phone is My main mistake if things get a little weird- usually because of a random text during a break through. Yuck

That being said, I simply do not go into a journey unless I am 110% confident in the situation.

If you are confident and in the right mind before hand, none of the other stuff matters a whole lot.

I have been very fortunate so far also, and I want to believe it will continue.......just preparing for anything I guess. My last couple attempts have been during shroom trips and I was in a really good place mentally, meditating and listening to music until I was sure I was ready. Probably over-thinking it, nerves I guess!

I was talking to my friend about it, and he asked how I dealt with the anxiety before taking that first hit.

I asked him if he was confusing excitement for anxiety.

I can feel my blood pressure go up when I have a window of opportunity, I have to wait that out and breathe through it! It's excitement, but not the state of mind I want to enter the journey in. The other night me and my lady smoked some blue lotus enhanced herb, and I couldn't calm down enough after that to go for a journey even though I had a great opportunity, so I abstained. Nothing but respect for this wonderful medicine.

In my experience a difficult experience is a difficult experience. Duration measured in consensus reality time is pretty much irrelevant.

Can somebody please provide a brief breakdown of what "hyper slap" means to them? I've viewed other forums trying to find a stable definition but it seems to vary person to person. Thank you very much. I've read this term when reading about LSD and mescaline interactions, but I feel it's been contextually abused.

This is the first that I have heard the term, but I'm assuming that it applies to being dealt a hand that you weren't planning on recieving.

I guess my third break through could have been considered a "hyper slap," even though it was my actions that lead up to it - Launched before getting in the hot shower. Ehhh. Too much stimulation. The water was breaking me down into a vibration of matter that once resembled a body. I had to decide WHY I should rebuild and resume as a person, instead of staying in a state of vibration. That was a great lesson on set and setting, and being respectful. I still ended the journey laughing, but the beginning was intense. After that, I took a different approach at my practices. It was a good slap, but one that I shall not repeat.

dmt wiki lexicon-hyperslap

Hyperslap
The often traumatic and extreme "negative" trip that one can receive, seemingly as punishment for some transgression on the part of the psychonaut. Often it is due to repeatedly blasting off when one has not processed or integrated the previous lessons, or desperately trying to get past a shut-out. Generally a hyperslap is not a single blow, but a full on beat down... and one that is designed to teach you a lesson in respect.

Recipe for changa hyperslap:

1. smoke breakthrough dose of changa.
2. not too long after, smoke another breakthrough dose of changa.

The harmala alkaloids in changa will prolong the presence of DMT in your system, so the second dose works cumulative.

I once did a no.3.. It sort of tore me to pieces mentally and made the whole experience quite meaningless. It was not traumatic though, I had just had no.2 and was still curious enough for a retry and I simply took the ride as it was. My response would probably have been different if I had taken the equivalent dose while still sober.

Since then, I have begun smoking changa differently, making use of the cumulative effect by starting low and working up to the deeper levels of experience. I quite like it that way.

IMHO some of the hyperslap trauma involves the sudden loss of control. If you can deal with that, you'll survive most hyperslaps. I'm not saying that is easy though..

Thank you pitubo wonderful insight to an actual experience! Looking forward to my changa night in a few days with my good friends, hoping we can all keep things positive as we have managed to so far with FB vapors-

I really hope you enjoy the changa with friends!

By way of smoking bits at a time, without the need to blast through all the way to breakthrough, changa is so much more friendly to engage and also lends itself much better to shared experience.

In my experience, most drug experiences that I would qualify as unpleasant were the direct result of 'biting off more than I can chew'.

This would include dosages that were in excess of what was perhaps wise, dosing in situations that require me to fight off the trip to deal with 'real world / external' matters and when dosing with company, not choosing said company wisely.

Just for me personally, the quickest way to make a psychedelic experience unpleasant is to add cannabis to the mix. Many on here would likely disagree with this, and I used to smoke MJ with every trip - these days it just makes me horribly confused and ruins the clarity of the experience. I never knew how clear headed psychedelic experiences could be until I stopped clouding them with cannabis.

Unpleasant drug experiences can happen with any drug. Changa is more drugs than freebase dmt, not less.

Hope that helps.

When I first discovered psychedelics, I initially thought that they were hard to find.
Later on I found that the right occasion and the right mindset are even harder to find.
Whenever I introduce people to psychedelic substances, this is the number one thing I try to show to them.



I used to combine the two as well, until I decided to have a few weeks break from smoking cannabis. The mushroom trip I made during those weeks opened my eyes! I had been smoking almost daily for 25 years. The clarity of tripping "sober" convinced me to reconsider cannabis for a while. I have not smoked it for several years now and I enjoy it. I still cherish all that I learned from cannabis, but the saying "once you've got the message, you may hang up the phone" applies to cannabis too.

On another note, the last 10 years that I smoked cannabis, I was very selective in my choice of material. I don't like the newer breeds of high THC - low CBD strains. Back in the days, the ratios were much more balanced. In my experience, THC acts as a psychotic, while CBD acts as an anti-psychotic. This is also what I see confirmed by recent research. Mainstream propaganda usually only speaks about the THC part, but I know of a pretty big study into the use of CBD as a first-line anti-psychotic medication, replacing neurotoxic crap like risperidone.

So people experiencing confusing (or worse) effects from cannabis should IMHO really look into the type of cannabis they're using. Good cannabis will open you up, but also calm you down.

People should also be warned sternly about the use of pesticides by big commercial growers. Some of these chemicals are essentially fast-acting neurotoxins. I have even seen hobby growers use that and claiming "it's organic(tm), really", just because the bottle claims the stuff is biodegradable. Don't fall for that people!

Well, the evening is upon us..........waiting for my friends to arrive. Feeling like a kid on Christmas morning, all day long........hope to report back nothing but positive love from the changa initiation!

Changa wins. Massive success and my first unquestionable breakthough, out of body for 5+ minutes and returned not understanding that my friends and I were not the same entity.......full report coming soon. Time for rest.