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PowerfulMedicine
#41 Posted : 3/18/2014 4:45:15 AM

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Guyomech wrote:
I think that BS is just one of life's ingredients, like the bit of carbon monoxide in our atmosphere.


So are you saying we shouldn't avoid carbon monoxide? That carbon monoxide is an integral part of our journey?

I personally prefer my hemoglobin to be non-carboxy.
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#42 Posted : 3/18/2014 10:45:15 PM

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Hypothetically, let's just say someone kicks me in the balls whenever I step out of my front door in the morning. Now to illustrate where I'm at psychologically, I'm currently at a point where I can just shake it off and go about my day as if it never happened. But I was just kind of thinking: "Oh you know wouldn't it be preferable if there were somewhere that I could live that I didn't get kicked in the balls every morning? Because even though I can deal with it, it's still not the ideal situation." Is that more clear?

I don't think this is an appropriate analogy. The kick to the groin exists whether you acknowledge it or not, anyone looking in that direction will also witness you getting kicked, but the "BS" is completely subjective. If you could consciously alter your perception so that you did not even notice/feel/perceive the kicks to the groin, then they wouldn't be a problem at all. As far as you could tell, they wouldn't even be occurring.

PowerfulMedicine wrote:

So are you saying we shouldn't avoid carbon monoxide? That carbon monoxide is an integral part of our journey?

I personally prefer my hemoglobin to be non-carboxy.

Avoid it in dangerously high concentrations, but don't expect to be able to escape it entirely.
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#43 Posted : 3/19/2014 2:13:10 AM

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Entheogenerator wrote:
The kick to the groin exists whether you acknowledge it or not, anyone looking in that direction will also witness you getting kicked, but the "BS" is completely subjective. If you could consciously alter your perception so that you did not even notice/feel/perceive the kicks to the groin, then they wouldn't be a problem at all. As far as you could tell, they wouldn't even be occurring.


Is the BS really subjective? If the kick exists whether you acknowledge it or not, then doesn't that mean that the BS exists whether anyone acknowledges it or not. You can ignore the action itself, but what about the damage that the kick causes? Just because you don't consciously perceive the kick, doesn't mean that it doesn't cause unseen and uncalled for damage. Therein lies the BS, whether it is hidden or not.

For instance, would it be BS if the government started subtly poisoning the entire population? I'd say that it is BS even if the people didn't know that they were being poisoned even though from a subjective viewpoint, the government wouldn't see it that way (only in this example though Twisted Evil ).

I would argue that the mindset that BS is subjective is what causes people to disregard the feelings and well-being of others in the first place. When the mind gets stuck in it's own subjective situation, it ignores the the world around it. This is what leads to the inconsiderate actions that would be called BS.

If people started viewing BS objectively, there would be a lot less BS. But like many people have already pointed out, BS is always going to exist. You will always be subject to suffering at the hands of others as long as you are around other people.

I like the Buddhist idea of allowing yourself to experience the suffering, not ignoring it, but not allowing yourself to become attached to this suffering. Experience it and then let it pass.

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Avoid it in dangerously high concentrations, but don't expect to be able to escape it entirely.

Now that's a novel idea. Cool
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