Where's the ugliness? I must have missed something.

I wasn't really making any value judgements. Just pointing out that the clip in which you are finding moonbeams and unicorns is actually just a calculated ploy to make you buy new pants.

I'm curious how this advertising ploy found its own thread on the DMT-Nexus. This is a DMT forum with a specific mission and yet more and more I see people starting new threads to post some cool video found on the interwebs.

If everyone were to do this the overall quality of the DMT-Nexus would go down. Instead, maybe we should save these 'cool' videos for another forum... like Reddit or Facebook? Or, post them in the appropriate combined thread. E.g., Art Bin, Movie Bin, Music Bin, etc.

I am actually quite surprised of some of the responses this thread has received. I will admit some of them did cause a feeling of offense even slightly upset me, but I am beyond that and will post as intellectually as I can.



This is one example. Inability to see past the fact it was an ad, to see that this would be a very precise depiction of a real world situation that could be described as beautiful. Ok cool its a commercial, who really cares? What is being displayed here is something magnificent that we can all relate too. Ever heard of "Don't judge a book by its cover"?????



There is a very similar thread that I had posted awhile ago where a potographer grabbed random people off the street to take pictures of them in intimate positions with each other. That video showed The same awkwardness that was shown in this video.



I agree. It seems most people cant see past the beauty and all they see is "OMG thats an ad".



And A1pha...

Can you really not see the point of me posting this thread, not to mention WHERE it was posted? To me this is art no matter what you think. I did not come here to post "some cool video I found on the interwebs". I came here to share a feeling I got from watching what I had thought were strangers dissolving their boundaries. Showing a strange fear that we all resonate with having felt before. The feelings of nervousness you get right before you kiss someone for the first time.

I am sorry if my use of psychedelics have shown me a softer side to reality. If these kinds of feelings diminish the overall quality of the nexus then I guess I came to the wrong place with this. The first few replies to this thread gave me joy in thinking I had achieved my goal in instilling this same sensation I got, into others that I felt OUT OF EVERYONE ON THE INTERWEBS, would truly understand.

So to end, I really hope some of you can see what I am trying to say. This thread makes me feel like a bunch of people are laughing at a fat kid trying to ask a cute girl out. Be proud.

No, I see the point. That you see this as art is just fine... art is in the eye of the beholder.

My point is that, as a moderator, we should all be careful about starting new threads versus utilizing pre-existing threads. This is a point of order, for posterity. There is a thread here called "Art bin" (linked above) which would be perfect for this. The Justin Bieber post could have gone in the "Music Bin" instead of his own thread.

This is not a negative... it is asking members to understand the difference in starting a new thread versus condensing and organizing our thoughts. For moderators it can be difficult to move and organize threads given the volume. Trying to find a single thread in a seemingly infinite list is time-consuming. This is why combined threads were created in the first place.

Just something to think about for the future, anrchy.

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It seems most people cant see past the beauty and all they see is "OMG thats an ad".

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A beautifully crafted commercial for Huggies Diapers is still just a commercial; just a ploy to entice you to giving your money to someone.

I think a lot of us are just turned off at marketing gimmicks that intentionally try to manipulate human emotion to promote things. (Though, if you check, you can see that I didn't like this video even before I knew it was an ad)

Your heart is in the right place, and I know you feel the need to defend something that tricked you into believing it was something it was not. But please don't be hurt by our cynicism. We've all been tricked by marketing gimmicks at one point or other.

Well I apologize, I do understand how difficult it is as far as organizing the forum. I guess I did not realize how stringent I am to be as far as posting manners. I can understand the need to file everything in the appropriate folder, I also think that filing everything art related into a single thread is also a form of disorganization.

Art is a pretty expansive thing. The art bin is 1200 replies strong. I think at this point rather than an art/music/book/movie thread where everything goes we are possibly approaching the need for those things to have a sub-forum with in the music/art/literature forum of their own. So I guess I will post a suggestion. Go ahead and merge if you want to, sorry for the troubles.

For anyone interested, here is the link to my other thread that as far as I know is NOT an ad. It shows the exact same emotions that I was attempting to share.

https://www.dmt-nexus.me...spx?g=posts&m=497229

I don't intend to start yet another argument in this thread, as it is already rife with them, but the Nexus does have three subforums which seem to be intended for topics that don't necessarily relate directly to DMT and psychedelics...

And with that, I bid this thread adieu.

See thats one of my points. I wasn't "tricked" by anything. There was no advertising, this video was meant to become one, or did or whatever. Either way the video correctly portrayed very accurately the emotions that would be felt in this same instance. Even after having become aware it was created to become an ad I was still able to see past that and into the emotional aspect that this video depicts. If i had been tricked, then I would have some sort of attachment to wanting clothes or following other misleading things that ads intend to do.

This video did none of those things to me. I do not watch TV at all due to many reasons, but being tricked is not one of them. I do not fall for such things. It seems more likely that those who only saw an ad were tricked, tricked into not using your emotional view on life and rather looking through the eyes of trying to debunk television ads and the like. The fact that you were turned off due to it originally being an ad shows me that you are not allowing yourself to open up to seeing the beauty in everything. I do not mean to label anyone by saying this, just an observation.

Even though they were actors, does that completely remove the fact that they still may have had those same feelings of being apprehensive to make that first move and kiss someone they have not kissed before? Do you deny that this video shows what it looks like when this situation occurs? Why not look at that which is important and healthy rather than attaching to the facts that really dont matter, and hold you back from feeling healthy emotions that I believe we are here to feel. IMO that is what life is about. I just felt like sharing that emotion with others here on a forum that I call home with my other family and friends on the Nexus.

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You know that most art produced throughout history was produced with the intention of getting something practical and pragmatic out of it?
You can look at all the great writers: Shakespeare, Dickens, etc, they were all out to make a buck. Does that mean that they're writing is someone 'less' because they did it for monetary gain?
Think about Van Gogh: he tried really hard to sell his paintings but never could. Do you think he would have looked down his nose at the thought of profiting from his art? No, he almost certainly would have jumped on the opportunity to make some cash.

With that in mind, is it really so hard to believe that perhaps the director of this video had a legitimate artistic vision, and the advertisement was just the most economical way to realize that vision and distribute it to as many people as possible?

I don't think we'll ever know either way. But I personally would rather look at something and think: "that's beautiful," rather than "that's fake beauty I'm too cool to see."

Blessings
~ND

See this video resonates with me very strongly. I am fairly shy when it comes to breaking the ice and erupting into conversation with someone I do not know, and may be attracted to. The emotions depicted in this video are the very same ones I feel when trying to get myself to say "something".

Learning how to break this habit has been quite difficult. A challenge I am not willing to give up on. I also found this very psychedelic, and I was able to really feel the same sensations as I was watching it unfold.

I think more credit needs to go to hug46 and his prescient words. He thought it looked like an advertisement LOOOOONG before Art informed that it was, indeed, just a marketing gimmick. Kudos to you, hug46 and your perceptive eye.

And, Anrchy, to give you the benefit of the doubt, I watched the other video you posted that you claim showed "the exact same emotions" as the kissing videos. I don't see that AT ALL: touching a stranger on a very crowded street at the behest of a photographer is MILES away from telling two strangers to make out in front of a camera.

You said that the video of people being photographed simply draping an arm around a stranger showed EXACTLY how real strangers would react when told to kiss.

Nope. Sorry. Totally different things. It's one thing to hug a stranger, quite another to suck face and exchange saliva. Keep in mind the kissers are ACTORS!!! It is their JOB to get into the emotional space of a character and convince the camera that what they are doing is real and not staged. The fact that you believed it to be real and continue to be enthralled is a testament to the power of acting.

When Andy escaped prison in The Shawshank Redemption, I felt powerfully moved by his liberation. When Tom Hanks cried as Wilson the volleyball floated away in Cast Away, I cried with him. Acting is powerful.

But, anrchy, your palpable anger at me and others who were not pulled into the ad gimmick of strangers kissing is a bit misplaced, perhaps.

See your missing my point completely (and I am not angry FYI).

It being an ad changes nothing. It does not effect anything except for your idea of "its not real". It being an ad just changes your perception of it... that is all.

Either way it still depicts the emotions one may feel. At varying degrees.



You don't see the awkwardness felt in the hugging one compared to the awkwardness acted out in the kissing one?



Well I guess we are different. If i was put in both situations (pretend I am an actor during the kissing one) I would still feel the same emotion but at varying degrees. And them being actors has NOTHING to do with what I am talking about. That is just details. Details that are diluting your ability to see the video through the same eyes that I am seeing them through. I can pretend it is real and watch it and still feel the same about it. Take away the fact that they are actors, it really does not apply to this discussion.



Look at it through different eyes. I guess thats all I can say. How was I pulled into a gimmick is baffling. I was not trick into watching the video for any reason that could be linked to what it could ever be used to advertise. I was tricked into watching it because it created a sense of what it feels like to go through that same situation.

If the gimmick was to instill empathy in others than you would be correct. Otherwise what are you talking about?

It would be enlightening, and you would be more credible, if you actual read my words: I stated long before I knew it was an advert that I did not like the video at all. It has nothing to do with being "too cool" (whatever the hell that is). I'm a total nerd; an introverted wannabe novelist.

And, yes!!! When my book is published . . . . there will be ADVERTISING!!! And, if you had read all my words and not just one post, you would see that I stated in this thread that advertising is a necessary evil. Though, I think you comparing Shakespeare and Van Gogh in the same vein as Fashion Week "Let's try and trick people and make a viral video" is so far removed from reality as to be laughable. A true artist could've have made the same type of video regardless of circumstances. It's not a matter of "I'm a great, frustrated artist who has a vision . . . but I can only get it out by making a Fashion Week ad". Why not go on You Tube if this "artist" has such vision? You Tube would reach FAAAAAARRRRRR more people.

Nothing wrong with getting paid to produce art (I make my living freelance writing, how 'bout that?); but, if Shakespeare had written a play and claimed it to be fact instead of fiction, that would cast him in another light, wouldn't it?

That depends largely on where you think the value of his work comes from. Personally, I really wouldn't care. Hamlet's soliloquy is going to read the same regardless of how it was billed. And I'm not Shakespeare scholar, but I'm reasonably certain that at least a few people thought that The Histories were accurate portrayals of real events.

Blessings
~ND

deep siiiiiiigggggghhhhhhhhh. You, as others, seem deeply confused. I stated on my first post in this thread that I did not like anything about this video, long before I knew it was a hoax.

Well, this thread has de-evolved quite a lot, and I'm sorry for contributing to that. That said, I'm leaving this thread as all that needs to be said has been said, and it's all downhill from here.

Toodles.

Okay, okay, okay, I know I said I'd leave, but you bring up an interesting point: Does peoples' belief that the Bible is the absolute Word of God change things? Yes, it does. Read as truth and fact, people commit atrocities and go to war; read as fiction and poetry, one can gain wisdom. Placing a label of Fact rather than Fiction changes everything.

Peace.

At the time that i made that comment i didn"t know that it was an ad. It looked staged and fake to my eyes and it was not a precise depiction of any world that i have lived in. I am sorry but that is my opinion and i am entitled to it.

As far as videos promoting passion, awkwardness and honesty i think that the link posted below is far nearer to the mark.

beautiful love



That maybe true but most of them weren"t in the business of trying to get you to buy useles tat.

On the contrary. I think a lot of valid points of view have been brought up and this thread has become a pretty good look into how a single video can create so many different feelings in people based on a more expansive set of views.

Looking at it with one objective compared to another you can see a very different opinion base.

I am actually quite interested in what exactly you didn't like about the video before finding out what it was. Just so you know I had taken into account your view of it before and after knowing, but you have to understand I was only referring to your later posts because that is what I had conflict with.

I don't think it really mattered any who, your stance on gimmicks and ads was my target for discussion and the fact that you didn't like it before hand did not change anything that I could see.

I also was wondering why you have a different view on a movies emotional output as opposed to a video that is used as an ad. I personally find some ads hilarious, and the fact of them being an ad does not take away from the comedy IMO. I feel the same about other videos that create a sense of other emotions that can be felt.

I really couldn't say what I found so disturbing about the video, and I still haven't made it past 60 seconds. Something about it seemed so phony and contrived that I had to avert my gaze. I did, however, like the video you posted of the strangers meeting on the street. Go figure, right? I trust my intuition pretty well, and it was telling me, in the kissing video, that something about this is wrong. Kind of like watching Fox News, or any network news, really, something is . . . off. Like looking at someone's face and finding them unattractive, yet you can't really say why they're ugly to you; they're not really ugly, their features are fairly normal . . . but something is just not right.

And movies, aside from product placement, aren't trying to sell you anything other than a good story to get lost in for two hours or so. Yes, there are propaganda films with clear agendas, but I steer clear of those films.

Blatant advertising, while, sure, there may be an occasionally amusing one, I find by and large to be awful and corrupt. Putting a dollar sign on everything, gross.

Here we go . . . I'll let the legendary Bill Hicks explain it . . .

See the way I look at it, and I may be incorrect, but the actors are merely selling the act. What one does with the recording is completely different. Be it a movie, a commercial, a college project ect.

So when I watch things I don't pick out those kinds of things as I find it to dilute the experience. For the same reason reading a book allows you to create the view of it on your own.

I still don't see the differentiation you have between this acted out scene of supposed strangers kissing, and the same thing in a movie. Both instill in me the same feelings one would possibly feel during such an encounter.

Kind of like how some people will critique a movie based on incorrect facts or incorrect realism, or how people wouldn't act like that. I watch things for fun and experience.

Still kinda of confused as to your view point on the video. Aren't most movies contrived? I think from my standpoint, regardless of it being phony, I allowed myself to create the realness part of it. Due to the fact I have felt that before, and I like experiencing empathy... Whether it be from a real experience or one that is acted out.