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#21 Posted : 3/5/2014 9:42:40 PM

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A wise man (Arthur C Clarke perhaps?) once said, "flying saucers do not fly - they oscillate between dimensions."
Metanoia wrote:
[...]I do believe that the universe is populated with intelligent species besides our own. I don't really understand how you couldn't accept that possibility just based on the sheer size of the universe we inhabit. Chances are there are other species out there that are capable of interstellar travel. I just think (or maybe find more interesting) the idea of dimensional travel seems more plausible. Perhaps easier to attain...? We are at the stage where we can barely conceive of how it would be possible to travel such immense distances between solar systems, or even galaxies. That doesn't mean it isn't possible though, does it. Smile
[...]Smile

There is also a chance that we are the first sentient life form to venture into outer space.

As a rule, I don't watch TV - but I might take a look at the episode with Hancock & Heaven.




“There is a way of manipulating matter and energy so as to produce what modern scientists call 'a field of force'. The field acts on the observer and puts him in a privileged position vis-à-vis the universe. From this position he has access to the realities which are ordinarily hidden from us by time and space, matter and energy. This is what we call the Great Work."
― Jacques Bergier, quoting Fulcanelli
 

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sØrce
#22 Posted : 3/5/2014 10:19:51 PM

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I have some thoughts on this.

Last night I had a dream where a friend from far away was talking to me in a very meaningful way and she used a word I was not familiar with. I recalled the meaning of the dream because I woke up immediately it was so profound. She is an amazing woman, a buddhist nun, a dancer, actor...

She used the word "Magnanimous." Maybe you all know it but I've never heard it used in conversation. When I woke up for the day I later looked it up and the context it was in was perfect.

2 theories:

1: We pay such close attention to the world around us incidentally, without much effort at all, that most perception makes it past our filter of preconceived ideas and identity, and this formulates a kind of "subconscious" that is succinct based on the receptivity of the mind.

2: Consciousness itself is so complete and extensive that we are merely a segment of a greater "superconsciousness" which we are divided from at birth but can access in states of detachment like dreams, meditation, dmt, near-death experiences and such.

For reasons of my own I am with the second interpretation, and it is an analogy that fits the DMT experience perfectly. Stuff like the commonality of trips, fractal geometry, archetypal visions and truth emerging seemingly from mental muck or chaos, epiphanies, and so on. I've thought and felt it so much that consciousness is all I believe in. Not I or you or they or this world or solidity or divisiveness or multiverses any more than rocks sticks and straw.

Looking "forward" to being united with "you all" as one sooner than later Very happy

~Ø~
"The world is his, who can see through it's pretension...see it to be a lie, and you have already dealt it its final blow..." -Ralph W. Emerson


 
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#23 Posted : 3/6/2014 3:19:52 AM

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My official (opinion, not fact) stance on alien issues, summed up for utmost brevity: alien contact and inter-dimensional travel is mitigated by dmt, 5meo-dmt, and other powerful chemical experiences, both exogenous and endogenous. Ancient people had these experiences as well and any physical alien visitation (if it ever happened) to this planet, ancient or other-wise, probably involves the rare phenomena of hyperspace cross-over, whereby under certain circumstances hyperspacial objects and entities unexplainedly (and unverify-ably) break on through into our world.

I like your mind, let's do lunch Thumbs up

I also agree with your point about them heavily editing Graham and jumping around a lot, overly sensationalized, etc. Unfortunately, that's what most TV shows do these days it seems. The attention span of the average viewer must be miniscule.

sØrce wrote:
2: Consciousness itself is so complete and extensive that we are merely a segment of a greater "superconsciousness" which we are divided from at birth but can access in states of detachment like dreams, meditation, dmt, near-death experiences and such.

For reasons of my own I am with the second interpretation, and it is an analogy that fits the DMT experience perfectly. Stuff like the commonality of trips, fractal geometry, archetypal visions and truth emerging seemingly from mental muck or chaos, epiphanies, and so on. I've thought and felt it so much that consciousness is all I believe in. Not I or you or they or this world or solidity or divisiveness or multiverses any more than rocks sticks and straw.

Looking "forward" to being united with "you all" as one sooner than later Very happy

~Ø~

I also like your mind Pleased I couldn't agree more. I remember philosophizing about this while still in high school. Obviously in a very limited fashion with many "man"'s and "dude"'s interjected throughout Laughing

The more I experiment with these kinds of experiences, the more I come to enjoy the thought that everything is consciousness. That is the driving force behind everything. The universe is consciousness. God is consciousness. It sure does explain a lot. And also complicates things even further, since we basically know nothing at all about consciousness.
 
hug46
#24 Posted : 3/6/2014 10:35:50 AM

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Metanoia wrote:

sØrce wrote:
2: Consciousness itself is so complete and extensive that we are merely a segment of a greater "superconsciousness" which we are divided from at birth but can access in states of detachment like dreams, meditation, dmt, near-death experiences and such.

For reasons of my own I am with the second interpretation, and it is an analogy that fits the DMT experience perfectly. Stuff like the commonality of trips, fractal geometry, archetypal visions and truth emerging seemingly from mental muck or chaos, epiphanies, and so on. I've thought and felt it so much that consciousness is all I believe in.


That is the driving force behind everything. The universe is consciousness. God is consciousness. It sure does explain a lot. And also complicates things even further, since we basically know nothing at all about consciousness.


I think that deciding that consciousness is god, the universe etc when knowing basically nothing about it is a bit of a stab in the dark akin to a faith based religion. I do not think that this is necessarily a bad thing if it gives the devotee happiness.

With the commonality of trips i think that this is down to the fact that we are human beings and react in a common way to certain stimuli. Epiphanies and truths are open to individual interpretation. One person"s truth is another"s bullshit. If i come back from a trip and decide that i am the reincarnation of christ, is it true or have i become deluded?

As for the existence of extra terrestrial life i really wouldn"t like to say for sure. Sometimes i think i am living in a world created by something not of the reality that i feel that i am currently existing in. It has nothing to do with god, beauty and interconnectedness but more to do with some weird, hyper advanced version of autocad inventor (but that could just be down to the drugs).
 
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#25 Posted : 3/6/2014 6:36:55 PM

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The best way I can think to describe the ship I saw was as a series of interconnected glowing red balls, like giant soap bubbles stuck together, with yellow and orange tones throughout.


This sounds very reminiscent of stories I've heard about glowing orange, non-solid-jelly or jelly fish like U.F.O's. An ex wife of mine said she saw them when living in Oman a few times. She had no knowledge of others reporting such a claim.

Here's a link to a report. And a google search for 'orange jellyfish ufo'.


Please let me know if these seem anything like what you are trying to describe as I find this highly fascinating.
* Everything I write is made up tripe: whispers of wind coming off the blades in my face for I am a fictional man with a floor fan for a brain pan.

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#26 Posted : 3/6/2014 9:19:24 PM

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hug46 wrote:
Metanoia wrote:

sØrce wrote:
2: Consciousness itself is so complete and extensive that we are merely a segment of a greater "superconsciousness" which we are divided from at birth but can access in states of detachment like dreams, meditation, dmt, near-death experiences and such.

For reasons of my own I am with the second interpretation, and it is an analogy that fits the DMT experience perfectly. Stuff like the commonality of trips, fractal geometry, archetypal visions and truth emerging seemingly from mental muck or chaos, epiphanies, and so on. I've thought and felt it so much that consciousness is all I believe in.


That is the driving force behind everything. The universe is consciousness. God is consciousness. It sure does explain a lot. And also complicates things even further, since we basically know nothing at all about consciousness.


I think that deciding that consciousness is god, the universe etc when knowing basically nothing about it is a bit of a stab in the dark akin to a faith based religion. I do not think that this is necessarily a bad thing if it gives the devotee happiness.

With the commonality of trips i think that this is down to the fact that we are human beings and react in a common way to certain stimuli. Epiphanies and truths are open to individual interpretation. One person"s truth is another"s bullshit. If i come back from a trip and decide that i am the reincarnation of christ, is it true or have i become deluded?

As for the existence of extra terrestrial life i really wouldn"t like to say for sure. Sometimes i think i am living in a world created by something not of the reality that i feel that i am currently existing in. It has nothing to do with god, beauty and interconnectedness but more to do with some weird, hyper advanced version of autocad inventor (but that could just be down to the drugs).

Delusion? Sure. I just enjoy it from time to time Smile I really do try to keep any 'blind faith' in check. I reevaluate my thoughts and beliefs on a regular basis. Incessant journal writing has really helped me with my objectivity. I've had some people even call me vain or self absorbed because I'm constantly writing about my thoughts and feelings Laughing That said, I don't think anyone can stay completely objective 100% of the time. I do accept that there is, and maybe always will be, a lot about the universe and our existence in it that we don't understand. I just try to manage those grasping, desperate, 'there has to be some purpose to it all' thoughts. We as humans tend to look for purpose in things. That this happens or this exists for this reason. That's probably the birth of every religion in history.

I just watched the first episode of the new season of 'Through the Wormhole' (Se5 Ep01) entitled "Is God an Alien Concept?" It was very interesting. It explores the behaviors we manifest in regards to religion; the good and the bad. It's not like the Ancient Aliens show; less conjecture and more real rational science. Smile
 
hug46
#27 Posted : 3/7/2014 1:29:17 PM

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Metanoia wrote:

Delusion? Sure. I just enjoy it from time to time Smile


I think you are probably right. A bit of harmless delusion is no bad thing.

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I just watched the first episode of the new season of 'Through the Wormhole' (Se5 Ep01) entitled "Is God an Alien Concept?" It was very interesting. It explores the behaviors we manifest in regards to religion; the good and the bad. It's not like the Ancient Aliens show; less conjecture and more real rational science. Smile


I went through a phase of watching that last year and quite enjoyed it.
 
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