So sue me. I like to watch this show It's more entertainment than anything. Some of the claims they make on this show are rather amusing.

That said....this episode was sort of thought provoking..

There was a whole segment dedicated to Ayahuasca and DMT. Graham Hancock and Ross Heaven were featured on this episode and speak about it. There's discussion about how shamans would use these psychoactive plants to communicate with the spirits, (the term spirits or gods is interchangeable with aliens on this show) visit other dimensions, be given knowledge from these spirits, etc. Shamans themselves do claim to travel to other worlds and communicate with beings and entities in those realms. They may refer to them as spirits, but could they be considered 'extraterrestrial' in nature? Not of this earth...?

It all had me thinking that perhaps the entire alien phenomenon is more a question of dimensional travel rather than physically traveling the cosmos in a spaceship at or beyond the speed of light, traveling through wormholes, etc.

A lot of things do line up with some of the alien phenomenon and shamanic practices. Here's a question a lot of us ask at one time or another: Is it all just our imagination, or do we actually travel beyond our bodies into these bizarre hyperspatial dimensions? I for one feel that the contact I've had with beings in these altered states of consciousness is very profound and, seemingly, very real. And without a doubt there's a powerful 'alien' vibe at times

It sounds like one of the more lucid things to come out of this show. I'm sure they must have gotten tons of fan mail every day with people like us yelling at people like them, "no, don't you see - it's just DMT!"

This one?



I watched two or three episodes. There are some interesting thoughts in it, but the overall feeling is, how should I express it.... just too US-american. Much adoo about very little evidence and lots of lunatic speculation. Not to discredit lunatic speculations, but you have to keep in mind an inevitable proportion of BS with these.

You mentioned them talking about Graham Hancock, so why not go straight for the source?



His thoughts give the impression to be very elaborate and based on detailed and honest research. For me, this man is one of the few remaining true scientists.

there is a "debunking ancient aliens" documentary that goes through each episode and tells you why its mostly madness, its worth a watch, I think its on youtube

That was a great video Nicita! I just finished watching the whole thing and his massage about the sovereignty of what goes on in our own heads was just genius! The supreme court/governments need to realize this natural right.

Anyway, back to the OP's topic, Ancient Aliens always seemed a bit hokey when i tried to watch it years ago. That said, I think I will hunt down this specific episode. I love watching this molecule get such exposure in the media and therefor somewhat the collective culture of the materialistic masses gets a seed planted. I think it's the right way to introduce this into common people's minds as a household name. Not that everyone should want to imbibe, but that they'll have heard about it as a visionary technology and be more accepting to those who do. This is much more favorable then thinking it's just a drug.

Is this perhaps the process with which DMT is trying to call others? So funny this sense of calling.

Found it...

For anyone else is interested the episode is from season 06 episode 17 (s06e17).

I thought the same thing Perhaps they began researching shamanism for this very reason! A bunch of people like us telling them, "Aliens? Sure. DMT."

I think this is one of the more 'lucid' shows, as you put it. This show does come off as pretty lunatic driven fantasy most of the time. I find it amusing, most of it. When the show first started it had a bit more legit rational thinking to it. I think after a while, to keep the show going, they had to present crazier arguments just to stay on topic


No, I meant he was actually on the episode. Ross Heaven too, who is a shamanic practitioner who's written a few interesting books I've come across.

Just having Graham on the show raised the level of lucidity by several degrees I love all of his work, fiction and non-fiction. He's a wonderful man.

It is worth a watch, even if you don't like the show. The bit about Genghis Khan is a bit 'looney', but it's a very interesting episode. Floorfan has the right episode number there.

I watched the episode now, thx for looking it up.

If I didn't know better myself, I would not take one single word of it seriously. Graham really is the light in all of this "schizophrenic" talk.

That is discussed here:
Ancient Aliens Debunked

Just some simple background checking, fact checking and searching for scientific papers (on Google scholar for example) makes it very easy to debunk about anything of this ridiculous TV series.


Kind regards,

The Traveler

ROTFL

I don't own a television but I've wanted to throw other people's out the window watching this show with them. Especially if, even for a second, they agree with that guy.

I think all the hair spray fumes have destroyed his critical-thinking abilities. That, or he makes a ton of cold cash dis-informing ignorant people. Jeez, it's inner, not outer space, man.

Yeah, that show is pretty funny.

Although, i'll lend a little of my own personal thought on the matter.

I would say at least a hadfull of times with mushrooms and smoked/oral dmt, while coming down and almost baseline, I would witness some pretty hair-raising phenomena.
Such as the many times i've journeyed on my property at night into the wee hours of the morning, sitting around my fire pretty much at baseline (in terms of visual effects), id go to look up in the sky and id notice a really really bright planet/star (or so i had thought). Id look back down at the fire admiring the fire, then nonchalantly look back up only to see this star/planet suddenly brighten to a 3-4x magnitude then completely shrink out of existence, this all happening in about 2 seconds.

I know some might say, "well you were just tripping". But like i said, there was barely any visual effects to be noted as id came down completely.

This has happened a handfull of times on mushrooms and smoked/oral dmt. Was never sure what to make of it.

<3 tat

The way this program is presented is superbly superficial. It"s like the producers are saying "We know it"s bullshit.You know it"s bullshit.Let"s party!"
If they used less dramatic music with each edit and had a narrator with a plumby english accent, i would take it more seriously.

Well, that opens an old one for me.

21 years ago, I'm looking out the window, entirely sober, just before dawn. I watch this one star grow brighter and brighter, over a 3 minute period it gets about 4 times brighter--then, it takes about 1 minute to shrink back down--and then disappear. Weirdly, it re-appeared and di the same thing, only bit higher in the sky. i wasn't sure though, so I used a branch outside the window, and the window frame itself, as a gauge. Sure enough, the "star" kept expanding, shrinking, vanishing, then re-appearing an "inch or so" higher in the sky each time.

I had written the experience off, years ago (it's just Venus or something) but now you got me thinking about it again.

For awhile now I've suspected that the dmt doorway can sometimes lead both ways. Back then, I had not done dmt at all....though it was right at that age when I was having a series of sleep paralysis related OBE's. One of the reasons that this expanding and disappearing star freaked me out so much. After having these OBE's that I could not explain, I then see this ufo-like thing, but that does not act anything like your typical ufo.

Exactly my thoughts as well

I've always been interested in alien/sci-fi stuff, since early childhood. But I've never really taken it too seriously. More as entertainment and fictitious story-driven mind candy. I've had a couple experiences like Tat and Doodazzle myself, but I always laugh them off as "I was just tripping".

Like null said, I think it's inner, not outer space.

Okay,a couple times I saw something similar to the"expanding star" thing described above, but realized it was an airplane that was heading directly toward me, then turning so that I could no longer see it's lights. Not saying that's what y'all saw, idk.

My jury is still out concerning the visitation of extra-terrestrials. I have a very hard time thinking we are singular in thus huge universe, hell, life is ubiquitous, not rare and I'm sure there are other rocks floating around covered in a thin film of atmosphere with higher life forms roaming around on them wondering of they are alone as well. But whether or not they have discovered the vast energy resource needed for interstellar travel is pretty doubtful to me.

Of course they may have an entirely alien view in whether or not to sacrifice generations of people to travel at sub-light speed in order to explore the spaces between the void and have or will done so

But to write off humanity's achievements as being the work of higher beings is to do just that-write us off as higher beings. I mean really, if some race had the ability to travel here from a distant star, why the heck would they build megaliths and not gleaming shopping malls?

Never seen the show--I'd never watch anything on extraterrestrials on television, which, to me, is an obvious media attempt to make fun of anyone with real experience in these matters. It is the same reason any news reports about cropcircles or ufo sightings are always told in the last two minutes in a "news" broadcast; a last minute let's-all-have-a-good-laugh-at-the-loons.

I personally have seen two ufo's in my day, one at a distance that could have been written off as any number of things, and one right above my house that was an unambiguously and extraordinarily magnificent ship not of this earth. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you say it's just a "secret military craft" we have not been told about. No, sorry, not this object above my house, which responded to my thoughts. It hovered above my house, up in the clouds, giving me a real good look at it before it shimmered away (cloaking device??).

For those three people out there who care, I will describe the ship as best as I can. It wasn't saucer or cigar shaped or any conventional shape I have heard of. The best way I can think to describe the ship I saw was as a series of interconnected glowing red balls, like giant soap bubbles stuck together, with yellow and orange tones throughout.

This was in the middle of the day that I saw this, sober as a bumblebee. The ship uncloaked itself for my viewing pleasure, I believe, as a direct response to a request I have made several times for a certain group of space brothers and sisters from a certain star system, a system I believe houses intelligent life, a system that feels more like home to me than Earth, to reveal themselves to me. This group of entities has been working with me for a long time in many, many subtle ways (and many more not subtle at all!), but this was like them saying to me: "You're not crazy, old friend, you are one of us, and you will not be forgotten and left here forever."

The sighting was for me, and me alone. I do not care if anyone believes it (this is, in fact, the only place I have typed or spoken about this to anyone), nor do I care if anyone does believe it. I believe it. That's all that matters. It was a moment like so many in my life: Confirmation that my Inner Voice is correct, that I should not doubt what I know in my heart to be true (but discernment must always be the watchword).

[quote=null24] But whether or not they have discovered the vast energy resource needed for interstellar travel is pretty doubtful to me.

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This is a very common argument against alien visitation, but, in my opinion, not a very well reasoned opinion. It is a view that still thinks in terms of combustible engines and gasoline. I imagine the technology of sentient space travels to be far more impressive than jet fuel and rockets. (and it assumes that aliens would have similar life spans, which is ridiculous: just look at how long a turtle can live)

Consider how far we've come in 150 years: from traveling around in horse and buggy, to landing on the moon and sending probes outside our solar system. From hand-written letters to instant communication with the entire world at your fingertips.

Where will we be one hundred year from now at the present rate of expansion and growth? Now consider where an advanced alien race even a mere five hundred years ahead of us would be . . . or a million years; how baffling must their technology be? How like magic? And how like Gods would the crew seem to us? What would a Neanderthal think if he were suddenly transported to New York City? It would seem like a different planet entirely. And he could never hope to fathom how a plane fly's, or how the engine of a car works. He could never hope to understand, just as we, in our present infant stage, as we learn to walk, could never hope to understand (for now) how an alien race can traverse light years and stay hidden in our skies.

Yeah, if it's on tv, it probably isn't legitimate.

The shaman's perspective on ancient aliens:



He almost sounds crazier than those bat-shit tv clowns that are for the existence of the UFO.

I may have come off as a bit patronizing by using terms like 'looney' and insinuating that anyone who believes in aliens isn't lucid or is crazy. I do believe that the universe is populated with intelligent species besides our own. I don't really understand how you couldn't accept that possibility just based on the sheer size of the universe we inhabit. Chances are there are other species out there that are capable of interstellar travel. I just think (or maybe find more interesting) the idea of dimensional travel seems more plausible. Perhaps easier to attain...? We are at the stage where we can barely conceive of how it would be possible to travel such immense distances between solar systems, or even galaxies. That doesn't mean it isn't possible though, does it.

I've spent many hours reading about alien abduction, UFO sightings, ancient alien/astronaut theories, and watching all sort of documentaries, movies, and TV shows. I really enjoy the idea that we are not alone in this universe. Science fiction has been my constant companion from preadolescence. I just try to keep an open mind and not buy into anything fully, so as to stay more objective. I just find it fun to entertain all sorts of crazy scenarios, which is why I enjoy watching shows like Ancient Aliens. Even if they seem absolutely ridiculous and easily 'debunked', I still attempt to sift through and find kernels of truth in there and bring them to the surface.

So, in short, I am a believer. Skeptical, yes, but not really rigid in any belief

Watched s06 ep17 last night. Wow--this was not nearly as silly as I expected. I came in expecting utter retardation....meh, it wasn't that bad. Graham Hancock was not given a fair shake--they used a few minutes of him talking about (imo) one of his weaker talking points, the cave painting thing. But then they cut him off before getting to his point.

They jumped around a lot, all fragmented into exciting tidbits, overly sensationalized, some mistaken information, amazingly missed a couple of obvious points, but over all--not 100 percent drooling imbecility. VERY good, for the history channel.


My official (opinion, not fact) stance on alien issues, summed up for utmost brevity: alien contact and inter-dimensional travel is mitigated by dmt, 5meo-dmt, and other powerful chemical experiences, both exogenous and endogenous. Ancient people had these experiences as well and any physical alien visitation (if it ever happened) to this planet, ancient or other-wise, probably involves the rare phenomena of hyperspace cross-over, whereby under certain circumstances hyperspacial objects and entities unexplainedly (and unverify-ably) break on through into our world.