the Illinois Bundle Flower. links and some basics: http://plants.usda.gov/java/nameSearch http://www.cas.vanderbil...oimages/species/deil.htm seeds available at: http://www.bouncingbearb...-bundleflower-p-127.html and some experience reports: http://leda.lycaeum.org/?ID=8466 http://leda.lycaeum.org/?ID=5868 http://leda.lycaeum.org/?ID=6157

The DMT concentrations typically stated about Desmanthus are false. The actual root concentration is 0.015% DMT. Three 50 milligram doses per kilogram of root. I've extracted it from two different vendors and got the same approximate results.

Is that whole root or bark?

Hummm..... I donno what to tell you but I have done it too, extracted 2 kilos of Desmanthus Ill. root bark a few years ago and got wayyyy more than that out of it. Very close to the specified amount, to tell you the truth it was so long ago I cannot remember the amount I was able to isolate but I do remember that it was close to what I had expected.

[quote:388369b35f="Vortex"]extracted 2 kilos of Desmanthus Ill. root bark a few years ago and got wayyyy more than that out of it.[/quote:388369b35f] That would make sense if Mars' figures are for whole bark.

Mars knows his shit.

I am not questing his knowledge, just showing that I had different results with the batch I had worked with. I took into account that it was root bark, instead of root. No surprises for me when I did it.

Apparently D. Illinoensis can be highly variable in alkaloid content. Many recommend D. Leptolobus because it is more consistant and usually higher in content then Illinoensis and also seems to have more peelable rootbark.

several illy bundle plants are now in cultivation in hopes of someday donating the rootbark to someone who wishes to extract the spice and report back. this will not be for some time yet..... also a small amount will be sampled by myself in an ayahuasca type brew. peace -pineal

what tek did you use for extracting d. illinois root bark vortex? maybe that had to do w/ the difference in yield... is the tek similar to a mhrb extraction?

My friend did a Marsofold extraction (with one added defat step) on 100g dried rootbark and now has what he estimates to bo 100mg coalescing in a jar of hepane/naptha.

Can I ask a couple of questions? Going to anyway... Illinois or Leptobulus? Home caught or shop bought?

so is it just a rumor that the bundle weed contains a higher percentage of DMT than MHRB?

[quote:7d73490339="shakedownshaman"]so is it just a rumor that the bundle weed contains a higher percentage of DMT than MHRB?[/quote:7d73490339] Yeah - one I've never heard before either.