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First timer :) Entities gave the option to kill my ego but I chose not too. Thoughts? Options
 
meinsideme
#1 Posted : 12/27/2013 9:59:43 PM
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Hello,
Yesterday I had the opportunity to finally experience the spice and I would like to share my experiences and get some feedback from others to help me further understand what happened.

Let me preface that I am 25 years old and both my parents have been practicing yoga for the past 40 years, so to some degree, I have been raised with a certain openness to the many possible realms of existence and states of mind. Furthermore, I had an amazing an unexpected Reiki experience a few summers ago in which my third eye was opened up energetically by another person and for an hour or so I sat at the bottom of the bluest ocean and had the craziest non drug induced 3rd eye trip of my life...

So... when I finally got a chance to try it, i took one hit with ganja, counted to 15 and closed my eyes and began to focus on my third eye. Almost instantly after exhaling the sounds around me turned into a low frequency oscillating pitch with a pulsing bass frequency and I felt myself being 'landed on' by what I perceived as a ship. I felt my body ascending into an energetic light and my body felt momentarily ecstatic as I tried to accept what was happening and move past my fear. At this stage of relaxation I found myself transporting into what I would describe as a biomechanical ship with two separate slug or "alien" like beings standing above me as I floated on a board of light. Closer to me was a feminine presence and looming behind was a more ominous masculine presence. For whatever reason it was very personal and felt almost like I was being molested or tricked. Like they wanted me to give something up and it was a very strange feeling, as if I was a guinea pig. The feminine presence took notice of my discomfort and touched me in the craziest way. At first she curiously touched my face, almost with energetic tentacles or something like a young curious girl admiring something without meaning to. In the instant that she looked at my face and touched me, I momentarily was HER staring at myself. She then felt my energies getting weirded out and as if taking a gauge of my willingness, gave me a shot of pure flying bliss.
For an instant, I felt what she could give me to me if I wanted it. It was like being offered a 'hit" of the divine light. In this instance, my internal voice went away and i was completely placid and one. Then thoughts came back in my mind, identity and ego, and I knew what she needed in exchange to go further. All she needed was my permission and intention for me to let go of my identity, voice and sense of self and I would be transported. At this stage my ego reacted strongly. I was afraid that if I gave this up I might not get it back and this absolutely terrified me. Further more I had this strange feeling of dark intention and it was like they were envious of something I had, or at least this is what I projected on these beings. I laughed at them and said in my mind "ha i know what you want and i'm not ready to give it to you" the laugh was a defensive laugh and came out of a certain arrogance. The sound of my own laughter allowed me to start to bring myself back.
The moment I intended to come back, they backed off with indifference and slowly i was disconnected and the ship let me down and hovered back off through my third eye. At first I was a bit terrified. I had heard of encounters like this, but there was this distinct feeling of being almost molested or tricked. It wasn't all bad, but something about it caused me to pull away and get very defensive. After spending some time thinking about it, I began to wonder if they really had bad intentions at all. Perhaps they were egoless creatures that happened to see I was knocking at the gate. They came to see who was at the door and I was willing to a certain degree so let allowed me to get a little further. My ego wanted to be gently caressed and loved and welcomed into the next gate, but that was not the case, they were not into playing games and caressing my ego gently... it was a matter of "are you willing to let go and come or not?". Part of me feels that had I surrendered to her "shot" of white light, let them finish whatever they were doing to me on that energetic operating table, and completely surrendered my "self", I would have gone through the next gate of ecstatic energy and knowing. Or perhaps I would have lost my "sense of self" for good and might not be able to live the life I want to life on this plane.

Has anyone had experience with creatures or entities that have ill will or are malicious? Or perhaps is this our minds way of giving us the hard and real truth about ourself, challenging us to ask the right questions through scary manifestations of creatures? Are there many different energetic entities traveling in the fourth dimension acting as "gate keepers" or is this a greater creation of my mind fighting against itself?

I would have loved to kill my ego and let go and give it all up to get lost in the energy she was offering me, but it just came from such a scary place. I have heard about people interacting with other entities but I didn't expect it to feel so invasive and personal. Ultimately I came to the belief that I only projected this negative energy on them because my ego wanted to be loved and wooed into giving itself up, but that in itself would only feed it...the fact that they left with indifference shows that they really weren't so bad after all...You follow me?

Sorry for the long rant, but I just wanted to share my thoughts and experience. Side note, after talking about this all day with a close friend who had also never tried the spice, he chose to partake later that night and was beamed up on his first time as well...however instead of being put into a room with two creatures probing him, he simply faced his fear and swam next to "giant creatures" through the sea of the universe and came back extremely elated and happy.
How much do preconceived notions of our "breakthrough" actually effect our experience of it? ahh so many questions. Thanks for reading and please share with me any thoughts this might inspire. Thanks and One Love
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#2 Posted : 12/27/2013 10:15:02 PM
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I love this, it's raised interesting questions for me.

If you say yes are you born again, or projected into the body of another being? Maybe one more enlightened than yourself? Does that even matter in the existence of infinity?

Certainly sounds like the experience was a mirror of your ego's intentions though.
 
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#3 Posted : 12/27/2013 11:01:56 PM
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Thanks and I appreciate you responding!.. I'm still struggling to figure out what are my ego's inner intentions from this whole thing? Is my ego really bad and wants to be let go, or is there no such thing is good and bad and it is simply the force that governs the reality I live in now.

I mentioned my "arrogant" laugh because I had this strange feeling during the experience that they were somewhat jealous of my realm. Either way... I feel like I need to master this plane before I can jump into the next. Part of me feels that the message was 'yea this is waiting for you, but maybe what you got is worth fighting for."
As a musician and a lover of beauty, I have a really hard time with the idea of letting go what i know as music and all my other very worldly and aesthetic tastes...

...Raising another questions. I'd love to read about musical experiences on DMT. Know of any cool posts or articles? From my experience all of these new feelings and senses don't take into account Musical Sounds...perhaps because it seems like 5th dimension language is all based on soundless telepathic energy. As cool as flying around on an infinite sea of the universe and light can be, I can't bear the idea of being in a realm without the simple pleasures of Bach or Radiohead or even kissing a pretty girl on the lips. As much as I'm continually trying to transport myself, I have this inkling that us humans might be some of the luckiest creatures in the universe. Is this me or my attached ego talking? And is killing my ego really going to help me in this realm? Maybe he's not such a bad guy after all.

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#4 Posted : 12/28/2013 1:20:16 AM

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The music and tones heard in space are one of the most enjoyable parts to me. When I hear it I know I'm there, its like it trances you to keep you in like hypnosis.
 
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#5 Posted : 12/28/2013 1:33:10 AM

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Wow. Very interesting. I have experienced "ego death" only two times...imo, they were the most beautiful experiences I've ever had. The first time was extremely scary, the second time I begged for it to happen. I suppose you could say I was "asked" if I wanted to leave my ego behind for a while, but it was more like a feeling brought to me. I didn't have "beings" in front of me asking that question...more like voice or vibration which was willing to take me deeper, or leave me as I was, according to my choice and readiness. Both of these experiences were with Aya, though..not smoked dmt.

Just my opinion, but I believe if you should choose to go deeper next time and shed your ego, you will be brought back unharmed after a very enlightening experience! You will probably have many new things to contemplate, though..and it may take a while to integrate the experience. It will be scary the first time...

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#6 Posted : 12/28/2013 1:28:26 PM

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We're so used to dealing with humans. For as complex as humans are, we're relatively apt at detecting moods and intentions from body language, verbal language, we stereotype (at times incorrectly) based on the way they choose to dress, and so on...there are many clues that allow us to construct a relative image (however inaccurate) of their internal state. When you're dealing with entities where you can detect few of these features - many being so far from anthropomorphic that they don't even resemble animals or even fantasy creatures, that their intentions can be extremely hard to read, and it becomes very difficult to arrange an image of their feelings and intentions (even though they can seem to read you like an open book). While we ultimately can never really know their intentions for sure, a good rule of thumb in hyperspace is if they tend to make you feel good or give you a helping hand from experience to experience, lend them a bit of your trust. If you feel you can't even trust the purest ones who induce what feels like spiritual cleansing and euphoria, then you probably shouldn't be in hyperspace because if you can't even lend a little bit of trust to them, who can you trust? And trust me when I say that if you repeatedly enter with nothing but suspicion, that's what they'll continue to greet you with as well. I'm not saying that all of them are meant to be trusted. I have a long standing history with negative entities and I've reacted to them quite differently over the years, but IME I've found that if you can form a respectful, trusting relationship with some of them, they will repay you in spades that you would never even know they had to offer, if you didn't take a little leap of faith, and surrender control of the situation to them. I don't think that surrendering control is always appropriate, but it can help more times than you may think.
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#7 Posted : 12/29/2013 1:58:25 AM

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It's so hard for me to justify commenting on most posts here, just because I haven't tried the spice yet (planning to extract very soon). But I agree with what Global said. They aren't human, so we can't really impose our impressions upon them too firmly. I could be wrong. But who really knows.
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#8 Posted : 12/29/2013 7:06:09 AM
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My opinion, so take it with a pinch of salt.

The ego death expirience seems to be a commom theme with new initiates. The overwhealming feeling i got when expiriencing my ego death was the number of times i've been there before. I have passed through that gateway so many times infact that taking the back door seems second nature.

I wonder if it's possible that your spirit has yet to expirience death of any sort. Thats why it was offered to you in this way. Because for someone to expirience death for the first time before their time is not neccessarily something beneficial. As i said, i was comforted and reasured by the feeling i had "Died" so many times already.

If you felt that it wasn't something you need to expirience yet, then this could also be explained this way.

If this is the case, kudos to you bright star, you have come so very far.
 
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#9 Posted : 12/29/2013 4:22:12 PM
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Just wanted to give a big thank you to everyone for responding. After reading your responses and a bit on entities in the book of the dead, I've come to the conclusion my experience was about letting go of fear. " my " identity is extremely protective over its sense of individuality and was too proud to let go of itself to pass into the next gate. This is okay and just where I'm at in my life. I could probably go back and perhaps move further but I think it better to simply take these lessons into this realm and hopefully let go of a little fear here and there by remembering that the only way past something is by letting go of all the fear and awe attached to it. Recognition and relaxation Smile If my identity is so set on standing out, all the reason more to work towards making great art that just might continue to resonate positively in our current world even when the "I" has left.
 
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#10 Posted : 12/29/2013 11:17:21 PM

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meinsideme wrote:
Just wanted to give a big thank you to everyone for responding. After reading your responses and a bit on entities in the book of the dead, I've come to the conclusion my experience was about letting go of fear. " my " identity is extremely protective over its sense of individuality and was too proud to let go of itself to pass into the next gate. This is okay and just where I'm at in my life. I could probably go back and perhaps move further but I think it better to simply take these lessons into this realm and hopefully let go of a little fear here and there by remembering that the only way past something is by letting go of all the fear and awe attached to it. Recognition and relaxation Smile If my identity is so set on standing out, all the reason more to work towards making great art that just might continue to resonate positively in our current world even when the "I" has left.


I wouldn't think of it (ego death) as a permanent change of consciousness. It's not like you're leaving your ego behind forever...it's more like leaving your body and ego behind for a little while. You will return. IME
 
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My first DMT experience felt very much like my soul was being molested by entities with a will that wasn't evil per se, but was almost proud in that they were very amused by the power they had over me. They took a 'cocky' pleasure in my absolute astonishment. It was very bizarre and uncomfortable - they flooded me with intense inhuman sensations and then thrust me in to their amazing dream world as if to say 'Look what we can do'.
 
 
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