You got a reference of this experiment? Has it been published in peer-reviewed journal?

It's called the Phantom DNA experiment. It was conducted in the early 1990's by a Russian Physicist named Vladimir Popinine(SP?). Both David Wilcock and Gregg Braden make reference to this experiment. Braden talks about it and shows an example in his "Science of Miracles" talk.

@ 5:45

http://video.google.com/...aq=3&oq=gregg+brade#

I would recommend watching the whole series of videos, very intersting stuff.

nice, saidin. its Popopin and he worked with Dr. Peter Gariaev on the experiments.

read this,

http://www.byregion.net/...s-healers/Sound_DNA.html

I think some of you guys are guilty of the minimization of mystery. I pulled this from the wiki on quantum mind and it describes some of your arguments perfectly.

"Minimization of Mystery
The philosopher David Chalmers half-jokingly claims that the motivation for Quantum Mind theories is: "a Law of Minimization of Mystery: consciousness is mysterious and quantum mechanics is mysterious, so maybe the two mysteries have a common source." [2]"

You guys are guilty of the same thing: trying to relate DMT and 2012 when there is really no evidence of a relationship.

Speculation is good but it has to be grounded in sound logic and exercised with hefty skepticism.

I do think the universe is most likely infinite so I suppose anything is possible but you cannot know anything for sure. It really is beyond our perspective.

personally, i dont really believe that DMT has anything to do with 2012 at all. however, just as you say delta 9, i believe the two are connected mysteriously due to the fact that they both were created and designed by the divine consciousness.

Great quote I would like to post here dealing with a similar topic, you guys might enjoy reading it...

Have you seen other forums?

I have.

Have you been to bluelight?

But isn't everything created and designed by the divine consciousness, (if you believe in that sort of thing)?

So following that logic, one could make an argument that the crud under your toe nails (or any item/person/place/thing you could think of) is the big key to consciousness changing in 2012.
Right?

WS

not quite warrensaged. indeed everything WAS created through divine consciousness. however, your logic is off. just because things are made by the same person doesnt necessarily mean that they effect each other. i believe DMT plays a huge role in expanding our consciousness, but whether or not we had even discovered DMT to begin with, 2012 would still happen. DMT is an earthly thing (yes it may possibly be present on other planets), 2012 and the shift in consciousness is a galactic event. the only thing that affects it is our consciousness. it doesnt really matter if DMT exists or not.

I'm going to have to disagree with you on this and may I suggest not slinging comments like, "your logic is off"; they get you nowhere and just make you look a little silly.

In my opinion, of course.

"...just because things are made by the same person"

I must say that your metaphysics is off on this one, solely because God or "Divine Intelligence" as you put it, certainly isn't any one person. "It" is a "being" which is essentially consciousness itself; the entire cosmos as a collective whole. It is ineffable and almost entirely incomprehensible. No single word can wrap itself around such a concept; it isn't possible, language doesn't allow it. The best thing we have is metaphors.

The crud under your fingernails is just as holy and sacred as every other part of our conscious universe.
Every part of the whole is necessary and being necessary, each part is essential for the unfolding of the cosmic drama itself. I believe you are guilty of anthropomorphizing the Godhead; which is entirely understandable, as this has been going on for millenia. The only reason why we perceive ourselves to be cosmically "special" as humans (which leads us to anthropomorphize the Godhead) is because we are on the supposed top (or bottom) of the evolutionary spiral of consciousness. This, however, doesn't mean that we are any closer to God, because the vast majority of people whom have ever lived have been just as unconscious of the Godhead as the animals we descended (or ascended) from. We are all an interconnected whole that is held together by a veil of illusion which keeps us from figuring ourselves out until the precisely determined moment that history has foreseen as the Eschaton.

In my opinion, of course.

"it doesn't really matter if DMT exists or not"

I don't even know how to reply to this particular quote, because it negates almost entirely what you said preceding it. And as far as 2012 being a galactic event; what is that supposed to even mean?

Just keeping you on your toes.

Peace.

first off, i am well aware that divine consciousness is not a single person. i was merely minimizing the concept. i firmly believe that everything is god (just using a familiar term) and god is everything.

what i mean by DMT not mattering and 2012 being a galactic event is that IMO 2012 is caused by particular galactic alignments and torsion fields. the process is not one that we are in control of. however, it will be what we make of it. smoking DMT or consuming ayahuasca is not going to effect that process. the only thing it will do is show us the splendor and possibilities of the universe. it will probably also assist us individually by expanding our consciousness and making the transition easier, but as for affecting the entire process id have to say no.

remember, this is just my opinion.

What I was trying to address is that it seems to me, like a lot of folks who are interested in DMT & interested in these 2012 theory's, like to make some great cosmic connection between the two.
It usually seems to me like if these same people where really, really into ice cream sandwiches & the 2012 theory's, then it would be the great galactic ice cream sandwich convergence that we would be discussing here.

I just do not see any connection between these two things, beyond a few people who have an extremely focused interest in both & active imaginations!


WS

Bump for updates

yeah there will.
google: epoch

time doesn't cease.

Actually, time doesn't exist.

http://arxiv.org/abs/physics/0310055

http://fqxi.org/data/ess...ime_for_a_Change__Th.pdf

At least according to some factions.

*head's spinning*

touché

wow this topic sparked quite a conversation here. In the end no one knows whats going to happen, its all part of the mystery. I dont buy any of the doom and gloom end of the world bs, thats just nonsense. Maybe its just the tipping point, where positive beings, outweigh the negative ones, and lead us into a more enlightend way of living and being on earth. If you care to disagree thats fine, im just not down to get into a pissing match here. peace brothers

^^I'm with you Seven, I think that's a great way to look at it. If something fantastic happens, even if it is merely the beginning of a change that we won't even be able to perceive in our lifetimes, I think it will be much more majestic than any author can imagine and write a book about.

thanks 970. I think whatever does "happen" we will feel or experience the effects of it in our lifetime.