Recently, I decided to take a different approach with Syrian rue in terms of dose timing. The rue seeds were ground and made into a tea, with the juice of 1/2 orange in each wash (2, 1 hr washes). The liquid from both washes was filtered, combined and then reduced to about 8 fl oz. This rue tea was split into three shot sized portions. I drank the first shot, then waited 20 minutes and drank the second shot. 10 minutes after that, I drank the final shot, then, my acrb tea.

This change in dose timing resulted in a very long (6+ hr), very deep journey. In fact, the trip resulted in a complete oob experience. I believe the increased trip time/enhanced journey was a result of superior MAO inhibition, allowing my body to take in more dmt over a longer period of time.

Note: My acrb dose amount is always the same, and the powder I used was from a batch I've been using for quite a while, so a difference in dmt content is unlikely.

I'm posting this with hopes that it may help others who may be having problems finding the "sweet spot" for MAOI timing when taken with oral dmt. I'm aware that this may not work for everyone, but I hope it does!

Hmm.. I have both ingredients lying around and have never had a succesful oral dmt experience that lasted more than 20 minutes. interesting.

6 hours you say? Does that include visuals for the most time?

Could you say a little bit more about dosing? And how to make a acrb tea? As i am a total baboon lol.

I know this is not the reason you made this thread. Very interesting observation there. How much rue did you use for tea? I always had a hard time imagining 3g~ of my rue will be effective. I've eaten 3g and nothing happens but i might be very resillient to MAOI. But i will definitely be using your method next time.

I took the first shot of rue at 8pm, the last rue shot and the acrb tea around 8:30pm. I remember laying down and getting comfy..maybe 20 mins passed before I noticed the onset. Then...gone. lol. I began wondering what time it was. I looked at my phone..3:28AM. Another interesting difference that I forgot to mention; no purge, which is unusual for me.

I typically have problems bringing back visual memories. However, I do remember leaving my resting body and traveling quickly to a point in the universe...and becoming a part of the "oneness." The "I". This was only my second oob experience. The first happened on my second brew attempt, but did not last as long.

In terms of dosing...I do not extract for smoking, so I don't use a scale. I use two teaspoons of ground rue seeds for the rue tea. I use 2 tablespoons of acrb powder for the acrb tea.

My acrb tea recipe; pretty simple...two, 3 hr washes with the juice of 1/2 orange in each wash. Filter with coffee filters..combine and reduce to about 8-10 fl ounces. I recommend taking the time to filter it well. When I've left sediment in the tea, it usually caused a quick purge

Hope that helps!

Ya that helps. Puts things in perspective for me. Thank you!



I would be annoyed not bringing back visual memories. But that sounds like a blissfull experience. Not sure if one can visualize such thing. It almost sounds like you take your tea as if it is an artificial sleep technology.

Do you remember dreams though? If not, proper meditation can help with recall.

artificial sleep technology..hmmm. interesting

no, I usually don't remember dreams, either, unless I wake up during. However, I know I was not asleep during this trip. There are visual memories, but not anything like I read from trip reports of those who smoke dmt. No aliens, robots, etc...

I'm curious, what DO you see?

As for the sleep technology; Prof David E. Nichols can probably tell you in full data how the brain on psychedelics is almost similar to a dreaming brain except wide awake.

Out of curiosity I weighed some syrian rue powder.
The first teaspoon was 2.51 grams, the second teaspoon brought the total weight to 5.32 grams.. powders tend to have a variable density. Dose was probably on the order of 4.5-5.5 grams.

I cant seem to find it but I think I remember someone here reporting that commercial ACRB powder weighed 9 grams per tablespoon.

I can believe 18 grams ACRB plus appropriate rue dosing would give a strong experience

Pre-powdered? I assume this is what Upload used.

I will try 5 grams Rue and 18 grams commercial ACRB. (Atleast, i'll just do two spoons lol, fak it)

I will first do it like upload did then maybe after a week i'll try the conventional route to see if there's a difference. It might just be mind-set or other factors that mess with the results.

Btw thanks for the measurement Auxin, haha. Very cool of ya!

mostly cev's...my own body, then, leaving it. Traveling through a portal or tube at very high speeds, arriving at a point in space. There is a large source of light..but not a sun. A warm light, not hot. There is mostly darkness, but stars are visible. It's in this place that I feel connected to the ultimate consciousness..where I am you, and everything, and god, and nothing.. all at the same time. Hard to explain

Hm, are you not in the light where you feel this oneness? Or are you simply in the space?

I can relate. I tried to meditate feelings of 'love' after vaping DMT. At first i was seeing some kind of sexual demon in my own headspace but when i meditated love, my perspective moved. Then a light appeared and connected with my brain. At this point i kind of floated or saw upwards and i was looking at this beam connecting me to the light that was further away. The rest of the space looks like the universe with stars. This space is occupied with parasites and stuff though and clusters of them starting sucking on my brain. Then i was occupied with that so i never had a chance to really travel out of my body.

Maybe i should draw it out. I think i could make a pretty accurate image if i add proper desciptions (can't draw)

You can feel warmth? That's very cool. Reminds me of Robert Monroe's outer body journeys. Fantastic set of books, i really recommend you read it if you haven't.

I believe I was part of that light...I guess what I've never seen are the "parasites," "demons," "robots," ect that others describe. Not that I'm anxious to encounter a parasite. lol. Maybe it's best that I don't see them, or maybe I do see them but do not bring the info back with me. I don't know....

Well not to scare you or anything but they might be able to mess with your memory of them. But i believe if you reach the oneness you are pretty much free of parasites. That's why it is so important to meditate, so as to not fall for those traps.

Never encountered angels either? Talking to the light? I'm sure they are there with you every step of the way. How else did you travel through the tube if you didn't consciously choose to do so, eh.

reprogramming my memory? wow. good point..I never considered that. However, I do feel "protected" somehow, even though I still get a little scared just before the onset...after prob 20 or so journeys. I do not remember angels. I am able to communicate (sort of) with the "light," though there is no need for talking. All knowledge I could desire is already right there with me...a part of me, really. Now, voices...that's a different story. I do encounter voices, but usually at the onset portion and come down portions. They are playful, mischievious characters..during these times, I'm able to talk with them, whoever they are. They answer in kind of a smartass, playful way.lol lots of laughing...In fact, like I said, I usually purge, and during/right after my purge, I usually begin to encounter these voices. For example, they might say, "So, you really wanted to come back, again? OK! HAHAAHAAHAHAAHAAHAHAAHAHAHAAAAAAA!" like they are laughing at me while I'm puking...

another example of the voices...I sometimes have sexual thoughts/fantasies during the onset and return. If I'm envisioning having sex with a beautiful woman, for example, it's like these things are watching my visions...cheering me on. Saying things like, "Yeeeeaaaaahhhhh!!! F**K THAT SHIT!!!! HAHAAHAAHAHAAHAAAHAAAHAHAHAAHAHAAAAA!!!!!"

lol. sounds crazy...but, that happens sometimes. Thing is, I never see these "beings." Only hear them

I think you've gotten ur guardian angels right there

If you are really curious you could try asking them what they are. I tried, they basically said i wasn't ready for it. Maybe you can provoke a different reaction out of them.



Hahahaha.
They often tell me i shoulden't watch so much pornographic images on the internet lol.

Nyways' gotta finish my homework and go to sleep. I'm drifting into old habits right now. Nice talking to ya, i'll report back when i have tried your method.

OK. Thanks for your comments. I hope it works for you! I believe I will take your advice and ask the voices who/what they are the next time I encounter them.

Unless I'm able to completely separate from my body, it's difficult to determine what is "other-worldy" and what is just a part of my own ego self trying to mind screw me. These voices, for example, could just be me (ego) playing around. Very interesting stuff

I agree, only once you are fully distanced from anything remotely human it is much easier to discern these things.

I am truly a bit on the fence here. Say you have been guided by entities all along, there might be a reason they have been hiding from you. I might have messed with their agenda by granting you insight. On the other hand, they might not have been able to inform you the way another human can and i actually helped them with their plan for you. (them being a hyperdimensional race and everything)

Let me know what happens, ye? If you meet any of them. I would be very interested if we could somehow swap information with them in a threeway conversation.