endlessness, SWIM roasted his seeds before the water extraction tek I posted for him in the main bufotenine extraction thread, and got very good results.

so swims tryin that brasilian dudes method. when the acidified brown gook was added to the isopropyl alchohol and sodium carbonate (instead of calcium hydroxide) added a precipitate formed. waiting 6 hours like the directions said. for only 13 seeds being used there appears to be alot of precipitate. well c how the acetone goes.

I did the FASA on the D-Limo cleaned Bufo extract & it precipitated perfectly!!

Unfortunately, I made a couple of mistakes, first I used way too much acetone. Although I was able to evaporate enough of the FASAtone for the Bufo to salt out of it in a nice white/tan precipitate in the bottom of the beaker, but I tried to filter it out with my Buchner funnel and the Bufo-fumerate seemed to just disappear into the filter!!

I was once again pissed at myself for not taking the time to decant off the extra acetone & THEN try to filter out the Bufo-fumerate!

I poured the FASAtone into a large glass dish to evaporate in knowing the bufo had to still be in there, the damn filter paper is not that thick!!
It did evaporate back out, but of course, the oil is still in there too.


So do you guys think I'm better off dissolving the stuff that evaped in a small amount of acetone to try & separate the Bufo-Fumerate from the oil?
Or, am I'm better off just re-basifying the stuff that evaped and running it through a cotton ball filter again?

Help...

WS

Is grain alcohol just bio-ethanol.

Are ethanol and bio-ethanol the same thing?

id say WS to put acetone on your bufo fumarate and then let it settle and decant

Well, I opted to try basifying it & filtering, it's drying now.

When I mixed the Sodium Carbonate into my Bufo-accident, it bubbled a little.?.?.?

I'm pretty new to the whole FASA reaction...could you clear up the Bufo(or DMT)/acetone/Fumaric acid ratio for me?

Like if I have .500mg of Bufo, how much clean acetone would be smart to dissolve the bufo in, to how much FASA for the correct reaction?

WS

uhh...well..you would need around 170mg of fumaric acid (i guess) based on the same dmt to fumaric acid ratio...and i dont really know how much clean acetone to put in there...maybe...25ml?

so that would be 25ml of clean acetone and 25ml of FASA

So your saying to dissolve 170mg of fumaric acid in 25ml of Acetone to make the FASA?
Then dissolve the Bufo into 25ml of clean acetone?
pour the FASA into the Bufo-tone a little at a time, until no more precipitate?
Right?

Is there any standard ratio to normally go by?
In the begining of the D-Limo tek it says to add "1g of fumaric acid to 150ml of acetone", to make the FASA & "600ml of Acetone" to dissolve the bufo in. This is an earlier stage of course, but that is a considerable difference...

Oh Yeah, I used waaaaay too much acetone when trying to re-FASA my D-Limo cleaned bufo extract!!!

Got to go work for a while, we'll see where this goes later.

WS

yeah you pour the FASA into the bufotone until clouds stop appearing...stirring will help the reaction happen faster too..

and im not all that sure of any ratio...

soulfood asked:
"Is grain alcohol just bio-ethanol.

Are ethanol and bio-ethanol the same thing?"

What SWIM is using for grain alcohol/ethanol is Everclear (151 proof). So I guess that you could call this bio-ethanol, it's grain alcohol.

WS asked about the FASA method. What SWIM does is mix up FASA in a seperate container using dry acetone and Fumaric acid. He uses enough Fumaric acid that it doesn't all dissolve and there is extra sitting on the bottom of the container to insure that the acetone is saturated. He dissolves his freebase into another container of dry acetone, the amount of acetone isn't critical since you are not going to evap it. Use enough to totally dissolve the freebase 25-400ml. Then add a small amount of the FASA to the dry acetone/freebase mixture. The Fumarate will precipitate out. Decant the acetone off of the Fumarate and let it dry. Try adding more FASA to the remaining acetone/freebase mixture to see if any more Fumarate precipitates out.

right on.. play it by ear then

Right on Memo, then I did everything correctly, I just should have decanted the Acetone instead of using the vacuum filter to retrieve the precipitate.

Cheers, thanks for the help!!

WS

swims drying ipa/h2o/ whitish yellow precipitated bits.

smells like soapy dmt i thik swims onto something. an acetone wash away!! and if im not satisfied with that ill try a casa extraction on top of that. ill let you all know how it goes. so far this tek has been extremely easy (minus the fear of geting boiling HCl all over you)

swim didnt smell any acetone... scraped up a thin film of tan/white/red powder.
swim sais:
it smells lovely, actually it smells like the color of the smell of a dmt trip .. like this white creamy liquid marble jasmine magnolia that extends on forever

swim wants to know how long he should wait before he tries going for a big dose after he got threshold effects from a weaker extraction? is it 2 hours like the deemz?

swim:
"ok, so the stuff turned a darker color over the course of a few hours. bioassay was interesting, very nice bodyhigh, mild trippiness and a little distortion of objects at most. interesting state of mind and overall feel"

I have now re-basified my Bufo extraction & filtered it to remove the solids etc..., then evaped the acetone, scraped up the result & dried it.
Since the 2nd FASA conversion I did was a bust, the oils were not removed, so the extract was still dark...

Plus, it is safe to say that I lost a great deal of the alkaloid to either the filter paper, or by adding too much Sodium Carbonate when re-basifying. Like I mentioned before, when I added water to the pre-mixed Bufo-Fumerate/Sodium Carbonate powder, it bubbled a little. I figured that I (once again), used way too much SC for the conversion...
But I did retrieve about 1/3 of what I had before.

So for the sake of experimenting I did the FASA convr' again, getting the precipitate out correctly this time & the oils were successfully removed!!!
I now have to re-basified again & filter.
From the looks of the small amount Bufo-Fumarate I have here, this should be a pretty fucking clean freebase!!

For future reference, what kind of ratio of (fairly clean) Bufo extract-to-Sodium Carbonate would be "safe" for re-basifying?
Would calcium hydroxide work any better at this stage?
I had read somewhere to use 4-parts Bufo ext, to 1-part SC, but that produced the bubbling last time... And may have chem-burned off some of the goods. Or am I wrong in that theory?

Either way, I'm better prepared for the next attempt, I got a new batch of seeds from Maya in the mail yesterday.
Trial & error...

WS

Oh yeah!!
I've now got some very light tan, crystalline Bufotenine powder, that is 100% not sticky or amber colored at all!!! Cleaner than anything I've seen myself or in pics, except for those beautiful close ups 69ron posted of his pure clear/white crystals, with the tiny hints of orange & brown. Those where like art work!!
Wish I had a microscope so I could check out/take pics of the crystalline structure of my extractions.
My phone camera just doesn't cut the mustard!

It seems (at least visually) that doing a 2nd FASA conversion on the previously D-Limo cleaned Bufo extract, was definitely a small success!!!
I had a considerably large loss (3/4 of the yield! ) due to trying to use a vacuum filter to retrieve the Bufo-Fumarate the first time (the precipitate was not as solid as it appeared...) & lost a lot to the filter paper, or to excess sodium carbonate possibly chem-burning the Bufo-Fumarate while re-basifying it after the FASA conv'.

I extracted 25g of seeds, my unfortunate loss resulted in a yield of only .040mg.
Although, that is at least 2 good doses & I'll be starting with around 5-10mg to check it out, so if it's really pure there should be more than enough to bioassay & make sure I have what I think I have...

I'm gonna write up & post a new thread detailing the extra steps I took & some pics of the result.
I also have another 25g of seeds that I'm going to try & replicate my results with, after I take a little break!
I've been spending every free minute I've had for the last two weeks in the kitchen, boiling & evaporating & cleaning dishes & doing it all again & again...
I need a little time out of the lab!!
Plus, the solvents are starting to get too me, weeeeee....cough...cough...cough...

I also need to bioassay what I've got here to see if it really is the alkaloid I'm thinking it is, before trying this again...


Cheers!

WS

good work dude..SWIM is excited to clean his bufo up again..it sounds pretty sweet though..heating to 350F or so and then dissolve in acetone..and then FASA..then freebase again..pull and filter and evaporate the acetone..

SWIM needs to get some more MEK and acetone and heptane...

Yeah, that's pretty much what the process was, after doing your D-Limo/FASA tek in the first place, of course.
Thanks again for that man!!!!
BTW, I only did one D-Limo cleaning before (accidentally) re-toasting.
Then after dissolving the black extract in acetone & filtering, I then did 2 more D-Limo cleanings before drying & doing the FASA on the cleaned extract.


Also, make sure to filter out the black solids after dissolving the re-toasted extract in acetone & before doing the 2nd FASA!!
That shit was waaay black, like fine soot & took forever to pass through the filter the first time!!
That's another thing BTW, filter it a number of times with a fresh cotton filter, before the re-FASA, until there are no more solids collecting in the filter.

I'm excited to extract this new bag of seeds from Maya, now that I've got this tiny pile of clean-ass powder!!
But I need to make myself take a little break!!

I guess I'll just have to finally try some of my hard work instead!!


WS

I've never worked with MEK, does it clean out some things the D-Limo doesn't?
Think it would be worth it to pick some up & see if it will clean things up even more (like whatever the tan part is...) on the next extraction?

I know 69ron mentioned using MEK for part of his Bufo re-crystallization, with great success before.
I'm not planning to ever boil Zylene ever again!! Took 3 days to air out my place! Yuck!

Jokerst, are you still going with the theory that when cleaning with D-Limonene, almost bringing the D-Limo to a boil, rather than fully boiling it results in a cleaner product?
I have been going with a full boil for 5 min. so far.
If so, I'll try keeping it just below boiling temp on this next one & see how different it comes out.

WS

yeah...it seems like bringing the d-limo to a full boil for five minutes picks up some other junk...not sure exactly what it is..but the d-limo boils at a much higher temp than xylene does...so it may be doing something not sweet...

When you cook foods a bit too much, they become darker (almost everything cooked). I guess it has something to do with the carbon atoms.
So it's quite logical that using serious heat (> 100 deg) makes the color darker. Does it means that there is really that more impurities ? Not sure. Maybe using a active charcoal filter could help to get rid about 'burned' carbon molecules ?
But how to know that the substance we want (in that case bufotenine) will not get trapped also by the charcoal ?