I've been using psychedelics for 7 years now. They have changes me completely(for the better) . I first took a small dose of magic mushrooms when I was very young, about 11 or 12 years old. It helped me go from a very introverted angry kid to an outgoing music lover. I've been using them frequently ever since.

When I got older I was exposed to other drugs such as cannabis mdma methylone mephedrone ect. The one person I got them from was always heavily addicted to all the things he had, I took a little less dosage wise but same amount of doses. While I would take all of these fairly addictive substances I could take them everyday, since I liked too ( I know its not wise) and never become even relatively close to being addicted! But this leads me to my original question is it possible that my frequent and most common choice of drugs would get rid of the addictive potential of my other drugs I would use.

I've even started eating extremely healthy due to being grossed out by fast food on a morning glory trip. And have since got my weight down from 220 in sixth grade, PS I'm not but 5'9", to an acceptable 185. I'm not advocating or even saying what I have experienced over the years as fact but just can't find any info on the matter other than using psychedelics as a possible "cure" for addictions.

I used mephedrone almost everyday before it went illegal but when I couldn't afford it I went without, with absolutely no withdraw of any kind. I even got 2 hours of sleep one week BC of use during those times when I was 16! Finally get some sleep and be completely fine with almost daily dosimg for about 3 weeks to a month.But I've tried amphetamines, cocaine, all kinds of drugs I honestly hate to list but never had any addiction to any of them, Even after extremely repetitive use. I can't understand why I'm not addicted to things and was wondering if anyone had any experience like mine?

I am currently using 4-fa and ethylphenidate not on a regular basis but its about twice a week lower end dosing from 100mg -200mgs and from other reports I've read people can't stop dosing but soon as I lose effects and the negatives want to make its way I can stop with no desire at all.

In no way am I saying I'm above addiction and I constantly watch for it so that ego won't get the best of me. But I just haven't had an addiction, above wanting it for the fun of it, and still remain addict free from them all.

Could it be my extremely powerful addiction( and I mean addiction I start to feel depressed and not as happy the longer I go without playing. I used to play 8 to 9 hours a day and was accredited to my improved mood) to playing and creating music, which causes me to excape in a healthy way, is it gentetics; I don't think its that we are a family of nicotine addicts and alcoholics at least on my dads side, or my frequent psychedelic use helps my mind keep the chain of addiction gone even though some of the things I've taken is heavily physically and mentally addictive to some of my friends?

This is all speculation and has no scientific backing other than my experience. I'm one of the heaviest drug users in my group of friends, which is nothing to be proud of and I'm not, but I remain addiction free and share even my alcohol and always spend to much money on everything not just drugs!

I encourage any talk to help me try to help me get some understanding. I have used pretty much all psychedelics ( mushrooms, Ayahuasca, mescaline, yopo, and more!

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I'd also like to say I'm a healthy person before its assumed my drug use has negative health factors on my body. I eat mostly fruits and vegetables with lean meats. I try hard to elimate all processed foods but find myself eating some Bologna or stuff like that every now and then! If any drug is starting to affect me negatively in anyway I just stop using.

I know my drug use is heavy and using everyday is a sign of addiction but all I notice is whenever I want to stop, like go to family gatherings, make dinner for my family or work and get clean for drug test, its just as easy as not wanting to. I've some money things to pawn to get more money, when I was broke, for drugs but It never even crossed my mind unlike one person in particular that even stole from me the one person who was always going to help him , let alone I could never still from someone else for any reason!

I think when I was forced to go to drug classes for pot pession, and being around addicts there who got caught stealing from everywhere, I started to question why I was no different than them and the only conclusion I could find different other than genetics was my long prosperous psychedelic use

If can bear through I've had that dwelling on my mind for several weeks. I have deep respect for almost all nexians. I only post occasionally and have always had my simple questions answered. I know this is a lot harder question, where I can guarantee ill get the your an addict in denial, but its a genuine question and its not been asked here before or probably never again!

Lucky man....But so you're only 20 or so? I didn't have a hardcore addiction other than tobacco till I was 22. I too thought I was invincible. That it would never happen to me, that I had a genetic or psychedelic given immunity...

Telling yourself you can't get addicted is a sure way to get addicted at some point...Let me repeat that Telling yourself you can't get addicted is a sure way to get addicted This was a VERY HARD lesson I had to learn. I was much like you, had various trysts with habitual use of various drugs, but never had a hardcore addiction.

Opiate addiction snuck up on me, and with the help of psychs I beat it, but it wasn't easy. After this episode I thought, "I CAN DO ANYTHING I BEAT ONE OF THE HARDEST ADDICTIONS." Within a few months I was addicted to Ketamine, majorly, beat that but am still recovering physically and emotionally....Now I am VERY careful about habitual patterns with every substance and don't go on the EGO TRIP that I can't get addicted, I don't need to moderate use at all!

Yes psychedelic use does help one analyze their patterns and stay out of the habitual use patterns. Having music being your first love is definitely very important also. When one has no other hobby except getting high/partying that can easily slide into addiction. Always keep your health and music above your love for getting high.

The amount of mephedrone you took is insane. I know people who are REALLY messed up from doing it everyday for a week. They have trouble enjoying sober reality at ALL.

My life started to get organized and easier to handle when I stopped being on drugs ALL THE TIME. I still love diving into them a few times a week and bingeing days straight a few times a year but I try to be sober 90% of the time and it honestly just makes life easier, although less interesting.

Having fun without drugs is a good skill to have and makes you enjoy drugs more with less attachment and tolerance to them.

Good luck

I think that in the overwhelming majority of cases, the adaptive physiology of addiction will win out in the end, if you use such compounds for long enough. This will vary from one to the next in terms of duration and patterns of use; if one feels psychologically immune then it becomes easier to play with those chemicals without noticing how they are taking their toll.

I agree that drug addiction cannot be escaped. Its a slippery slope.

But here is the thing for me, while not getting addicted to one drug in particular, and also being able to stop whenever you want. You can still get addicted to the idea of intoxicating yourself. You know you can stop and it doesn't bother you, but how do you feel when you think of maybe not using these things forever. Or that maybe one day you will have an experience that will show you the what you need to stop doing. Are you open to this?

Allen Watts describes psychedelics as a telephone and once you pick up and get the message you gotta put the phone down. Integration is a big part of psychedelics to me.

Addiction of any sort is a slippery thing, and you have to realize. While in an addictive state you don't realize it! Or at least that is my take. Your addiction allows the rational part of your brain to work overtime into developing theories as to why you want to, or should, or perhaps even spiritual tuggings into taking these substances every day.

But IMO, and I need to state this again because I don't want anyone getting angry at me! IN MY OPINION, its never, EVER, good to use one single substance or a multitude of substances habitually. In my point of view this is never beneficial, its a route of escaping reality. Unless guided by a shaman or there is some shamanic connection, ritual time set aside. Not the everyday life kind of stuff. Then don't do it habitually. Because as I said integration is part of the experience. Hang up the telephone and think and about it and act of it to see how it works before you pick it up again. Other wise all your doing is getting fucked up imo.

Anyways good luck man, just watch it!

Peace and Love,
Walter

Hey man, I understand what you're saying, and your body is your own temple to do with as you please, but there is a constant background addiction risk, and using stimulants with this degree of frequency is still physically and psychologically risky, particularly in the long term. Anything that presses your dopamine button strongly like mephedrone or other stimulants is going to start rewiring your brain with chronic use, it's an inescapable fact of heavy stimulant use. The implications of this are, among other thing, finding it much harder to gain pleasure from normal everyday things, and an increased risk of psychotic symptoms. Also some stimulants are neurotoxic or decrease neurogenesis in the brain, and for things like these new stimulants you are listing we don't even know what the long term effects are as they are research chemicals and haven't been around long, so this is another reason to be cautious. Psychedelics definitely do have anti-addiction potential though, I've been working on an article for a website and I've attached the doc if this is of any interest.

IMO if you are constantly seeking the use of drugs, even if it's not the same ones, you are essentially addicted. You say you can stop taking them with no I'll effects, so why take any? If you find a reason why you should keep taking them constantly then you yourself are basically an addict. IMO

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This thread turned into more of an addiction warning thread. I only showed my heavy use to give a reason behind my main question. I don't take drugs like I used to. And I don't see my self ever starting to do them everyday.

My reasoning behind my main post was since psychedelics can help cure addictions, could they also help lower the potential risk of developing that said addiction when used in a positive mindset?

The way I see it, when psychedelics are used to curb addiction, it's very similar to a friend helping you curb an addiction with conversation.

I don't think it's the drug, it's you doing all the work. So no I don't think so, nor do I see the come up to an addiction as a mechanism that can be off put at all.

You stop an addiction from happening by abstaining.

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