I made a tea out of 3g syrian rue, waited 20 minutes then dropped 100mg freebase dmt in some freshly squeezed lemon juice and drunk it down.

I began to experience slight nausea so I laid on my bed with my eyes shut getting minor closed eye visuals which occasionally got stronger but eventually faded.

After looking at the time I saw that 2 hours had gone by since I ingested the dmt and I was still having more or less no effects so I gave up and went downstairs to make some food. At this point I think the syrian rue was taking effect. It was similar to caapi but more obvious and there were also swirling patterns which appeared when I stared at objects. Colours were more prominent and sharp.

Exactly the same thing happened when I drunk caapi + dmt before; I felt the maoi effects about 2 hours in, but got more or less nothing from the dmt. Either I have a strange digestion system when it comes to entheogens or I have an unusually high tolerance when it comes to taking psychedelics orally.

I also consumed close to 40mg of 4-aco-dmt orally a few days ago. This felt as though a strong trip was coming on for about 2 hours, when suddenly it just stopped as if someone had flicked my tripping switch off.

What else could the problem be here? I was thinking of waiting about 1 1/2 - 2 hours to ingest dmt after an maoi as this is the point where I can physically feel it taking an effect.

It's just a little frustrating using up all that dmt for nothing. I guess it's still all trial and error regardless.

100 mlgs DMT doesn't sound like enough for an oral dose, at least for me........

Is this your first pharma test run?

I would definitely wait till you feel the effects of the rue.

Tonight I will be taking 4 grams rue in caps, wait an hour, then drink a 6 gram tea. Then 300 mlgs DMT. Obviously, I am a freak and you should not try this, but it might not be a bad idea for you to try something similar, at a dose that works for you. Maybe up your dose to four grams rue, 150 mlgs DMT? Start slow, find what works for your body.

How did you make your rue tea? It's important to do multiple extended boils (30+ min) to make sure you're getting all the alkaloids

I'd be weary of upping your dose of rue to 4g, since for many it can have some unpleasant effects. Obviously for some this isn't always the case, but until you know how your body reacts to Rue it's best to have a cautious approach.

Upon rereading the op, I would say, yes, do not up your dose of rue to 4 grams, since you get a little sick at 3 grams........I always forget that rue can be unpleasant for some.

But definitely wait till you feel the rue effects before drinking the DMT. I usually wait about twenty minutes, like you did, but seems like you need to wait longer.

Also, the easiest way, that I've found, to increase a weak brew is to take a small puff of changa.

I've read this a few times as well. If you can, it would definitely kick things into gear!

Did you say 300mg dmt? That does sound rather a large dose.

Yeah I'm gonna keep the syrian at 3g. The nausea wasn't really that bad at all and it only really lasted until I felt the effects come on.

So it's probably practical to try 150mg dmt about 2 hours after ingesting the syrian rue?

I did 2 boils at 30 mins each and one at 10 mins, then reduced slightly. I was planning on doing 3 at 30 mins but time was short.

The effects of the rue were definitely there it's just the dmt that was puzzling me.

This is my 2nd pharma test run. The first was with 50g caapi & 70mg dmt. The same thing happened; mild closed eye visuals, then 2 hours in I felt the maoi effects. I did smoke some freebase dmt which gave me clean changa like effects so maybe I will either do this or smoke changa to enhance the rue + dmt.

It is a large dose, and it took a long time to work up to it. I started pharma with 3.5 grams rue, 150 mlgs DMT. It took some time playing around to find what works for me.

Starting slow and low is the wisest course of action; better too small a dose than too large a dose, especially since you've done pharma twice. Respect the molecule, and she will respect you.

A two hour wait in-between MAOI and dmt is rather long. Maybe try 40 minutes and eat something light (like fruit) while waiting. This will kick your digestive system in and will help you metabolize

richard_hole, it sounds like you had nausea and some visuals so it seems like it definitely wasn't a complete misfire. It sounds like you just need to now hone your timing and up the dosages carefully. When you have a low harmala and/or dmt amount the journey will be shortened significantly in terms of the dmt effects. Also, i wouldn't wait 2 hours before taking the DMT (does it really take that long for rue to kick in for you?). That sounds too long, unless you were to take some additional more rue along with it. 20 minutes or even much less is usually fine. Play around with it a bit

I would try 3g rue with 150mg dmt personally, or less. But remember that the more rue you take, the more intense and long lasting the DMT will be (not to mention the psychedelic affects of the harmalas will be more pronounced). Also, are you eating long before it? Try not eating a big meal for 6 hours or so before dosing, but maybe a small something a couple hours beforehand. Also after you drink it, eat a few bites of fruit or something so digestion kicks in, since this can really activate the brew.



Do you mean you take a total of 10g of rue? Jesus, i hope you know what your doing lol. Thats an insanely large dose and over twice as much as most people would ever need. There is some freaks out there however. I'm on the opposite end and get visions from around 2g of rue...even without dmt

Yes, ten grams of rue is a lot for me. But I should also mention that I am not extracting rue, I just grind it, put it in a tea bag and pour boiling water on it, like regular tea. I know I could get more bang for less if I'd take the time to process it more, but I am lazy........and I am getting some last minute second-thought jitters on tonight's dose. I usually take between 6-9 grams of rue, and 300 mlgs DMT is close to my limit (316 was the most I've taken for pharma). Drink deep or drink not.

Ugh yeah it miiiight be a good idea to mention that before suggesting that he "might want to try something similar" to your 10g of rue... 0_o ...lol

Kind of sounds like a waste of rue considering how easy and quick it is to brew, but a lot of people are crunched on time these days- so whatever works. If you do a full brew I'd bet you would need around half that amount or even less, and you'll probably need less dmt to. Also, have you tried taking an intense visionary dose of rue right before taking the dmt? You would probably need way less than 300mg dmt that way.

I was careful to mention a similar technique, not a similar dose. I have been without DMT for like six months now, so this is a big dose to mark the occasion.

But I do agree with you that it is perhaps a waste of product. After tonight's dose I do plan to do full rue brews for future doses, and scale back the DMT. It's easy for me to get into a pattern and do the same thing each time, but I will be exploring with more efficient techniques.



Edit............Wowwwwwww hehehehe here.

Honestly I don't feel any noticeable effects for about 2 hours. Within about 45 minutes in I get slight nausea and some closed eye visuals, but they fade at around the 1 1/2 hour mark.

I did eat on the day I did syrian, but for caapi I fasted for around 12 hours before and the effects were still the same.

Parsh, perhaps I can try that but I'm scared to use up any more dmt, oh well trial and error again I guess.

It's weird because it feels like I'm getting really low effects of dmt at around 45 mins in, but the maoi effect doesn't happen for 2 hours.

I think it's time to get the plug out.

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Honestly I don't feel any noticeable effects for about 2 hours. Within about 45 minutes in I get slight nausea and some closed eye visuals, but they fade at around the 1 1/2 hour mark.

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I'm in a similar situation, been experimenting with smoked DMT and I'm looking to lengthen and slow the experience so my feeble mind can keep up. I've done my research and I'm planning on 3g rue tea and 80-100mg freebase spice.

In the past I have had problems digesting (large and small doses) of DXM and mushrooms. Every time I have dosed these substances orally, it takes at least 1 1\2 hours to feel anything, and then I'm generally rushed with the effects. I'm fairly healthy (diet could be better, working student )and I've been off all medications except cannabis for 5+ years. Not sure if it could be a digestive problem or something else.

I hope you find a method that works Richard.

take care Nexians

Honestly I don't feel any noticeable effects for about 2 hours. Within about 45 minutes in I get slight nausea and some closed eye visuals, but they fade at around the 1 1/2 hour mark.

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I'm in a similar situation, been experimenting with smoked DMT and I'm looking to lengthen and slow the experience so my feeble mind can keep up. I've done my research and I'm planning on 3g rue tea and 80-100mg freebase spice.

In the past I have had problems digesting (large and small doses) of DXM and mushrooms. Every time I have dosed these substances orally, it takes at least 1 1\2 hours to feel anything, and then I'm generally rushed with the effects. I'm fairly healthy (diet could be better, working student )and I've been off all medications except cannabis for 5+ years. Not sure if it could be a digestive problem or something else.

I hope you find a method that works Richard.

take care Nexians

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I hope yours works because I got nothing ha. If all else fails then just wait until the maoi kicks in then start schmoking dat dmt. It's a much easier trip to handle. Although, it does seem to take longer to kick in so probably best to keep that in mind.

When I drunk caapi before, I smoked dmt then didnt feel much so went to pick the pipe up again just as everything started to feel very changa like.

Dialing in the sweet spot for the Rue can be difficult. Personally 5-6 grams until a teas is where I start to feel it. The DMT can be tricky too, but I think the real trick is getting the Rue down. Once you get it down, all you have to is find. right amount of DMT.

In comparison to smoked dose, an or dose looks like a lot, but I think the ideal range for starting is 2mg/kg and then work your way up from there. What's cool, is if you don't get where you want you can always re-dose.

5-6g? Okay maybe I will up my dose slightly. I did notice that the maoi effects didn't seem to last very long. This would've obviously meant that any effect the dmt could've had would've ended quickly as well.

Is it ever recommended to mix syrian rue with caapi? Perhaps 50g caapi tea, followed by 3g syrian rue tea, either one after the other, mixed together for delicious flavour, or 30-60 minutes apart to fully lengthen the experience?

Also, if you say 2mg/kg for dmt then I've been severely under-dosing anyway.

Hi ,

Sorry to bring up this older thread, but I'm researching MAOI for DMT orally.

The original poster said that he drank in juice DMT FREEBASE! Is this right? I thought you made it into fumarate salt for oral ROA. Or after a RUE tea is FREEBASE ok to consume?

Thanks guys.

Fumarate salt of DMT is convenient because it is not hygroscopic, unlike acetate and hcl salt. That way, it is easier to weigh. The fumarate salt form of DMT is also more stable against decay than freebase DMT.

When freebase DMT is put into fruit juice containing considerable amount of acids like citric or ascorbic acid, the DMT will no longer be freebase. It will be the citrate, ascorbate, etc. Instead of fruit juice, dilute vinegar also works (yielding acetate).

In any case, if you were to consume freebase DMT, it would eventually be converted into HCl salt by your stomach acid. It might burn a little in your mouth and throat, due to the alkaline nature of the freebase alkaloid. Salting with an acid neutralises it.

The same considerations as above mostly apply to harmala alkaloids.