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zedwings
#1 Posted : 11/7/2013 11:14:52 PM

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Hi,

I've experienced in extracting my own DMT and smoked a LOT of the stuff.

Recently, a friend had some "changa". He assured me it was definitely changa. I trusted the guy and I was satisfied that he had made safely and correctly.

About 6 months ago I was on an SSRI, and that meant I needed large doses of DMT to breakthrough. I vaped up to 200mg on occasion. On other occasions, I vaped 100mg and felt nothing. I've been off the SSRI for 6 months, and this was my first experience with DMT.

I loaded the pipe with around 200mg of herb. I was led to believe that the DMT content was 50%. I inhaled, took 1 hit and I was gone. Blackout. I came to about 10 minutes later and could remember nothing of the trip. Remembering that changa is not time-critical, I smoked the rest (around 200mg) in increments of about 30mg. I felt nothing but a little light-headedness.

So other that the initial blast-off and blackout, there was nothing.

Did I vape too much? Did this cause me not to remember anything of the experience? Also, it did not last any longer than the freebase DMT i've vaped. Perhaps the harmine content was too low?

Anyway, I have Moderator edit: No Acquiring talk 500g of MHRB and 1g of Harmine freebase. I notice the tutorial says to use heated IPA, but I've always infused by herbs using Acetone. Can I use Acetone to infuse my herbs with both DMT and the Harmala freebase?

Sorry for the questions. I'm a little upset, and I had so hopes for changa and this
experience was a let down - admittedly because I probably took too much.

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#2 Posted : 11/8/2013 9:27:16 AM

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I personally would never use changa that I hadn't prepared myself, unless I was absolutely sure of the herb/spice/harmala ratio. It sounds like your experience may have involved way too much spice and not nearly enough harmala alkaloids, if the experience was not any longer than that induced by freebase alone. Then perhaps the following doses were not enough to have much of an effect. On the other hand, I know people who had a fair amount of previous experience with DMT but have blacked out from relatively low doses of high-purity spice. Whatever the reason may be, I would say that in the future you're probably better off working with changa that you have prepared yourself.

From my understanding, acetone is probably the best way to go for making changa. Harmalas and DMT are both reasonably soluble in acetone, and it evaporates much more rapidly than ethanol or IPA.

Also, for future reference, harmala alkaloids are very easy to extract from syrian rue. Moderator edit: Buy/sell talkThumbs up
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#3 Posted : 11/8/2013 10:19:59 AM

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I havent seen SSRI's causing tolerance to DMT so I am not sure whats going on there. But you vaped way too much changa man. If you blackout most likely your dose was way to high.

A common breakthrough dose of freebase DMT is 20-25mg. Tread carefully with doses much higher than that. SERIOUSLY
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zedwings
#4 Posted : 11/9/2013 12:29:05 AM

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Thank you for the advice guys.

I'm looking into Syrian rue and trying to figure out the most economical way of acquiring the alkaloids.

I'm led to believe the seeds contain between 2%-7% harmala alkaloids. Is this accurate in your experiences?

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#5 Posted : 11/10/2013 2:04:25 AM

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Sorry mods, slipped a little bit... Embarrased

Anyways, I haven't personally seen any SR seeds with a 7% alkaloid content, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was possible. From my experience, I'd say you can pretty much count on an average of about 2%-4% alkaloid content. There are many simple SR extraction teks here on the Nexus that really don't require much equipment that one wouldn't likely have around the house or have from previous extractions of other plants.
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