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Nathanial.Dread
#1 Posted : 10/29/2013 4:30:29 PM

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Extracting DMT has been something I've wanted to try solo for a long time (in the past, I've helped friends, and experimented with oral intakes), but I'm trying to keep things foodsafe, partly for my own health, and partly because my flatmates really aren't interested in risking exposure to anything scary. I've managed to pull together a number of different ingredients from a lot of different Teks, + some ACRB. I haven't found anything that looks exactly like this, however, and I'd like to get go-ahead from some of the more experienced chemists here before I sink time and valuable ACRB bark into it.

If there's some glaringly obvious reason this will fail, or if I'm about the poison myself, that would be nice to know. Hopefully I'll be able to do this and have pictures/yields/whatever for you all in a few weeks.

I'm a psychopharmacology major, so if you want to get technical and talk serious chemistry at me, I can take it.

I'm also leaving out precise measurements, for the sake of brevity.

Ingredients:
ACRB
Concentrated white vinegar
Washing soda (sodium carbonate)
91%-99% isopropyl alcohol
Water

Plan:
1) Freezing - The idea here (I know people do this with leaf matter) is to break down the cell walls, hopefully releasing more goodies into the ambient environment.
-- First thing in the morning, place ACRB powder in a canning jar and moisten (but not soak) with water. Put the jar of moist powder in the freezer, and go about my day, allowing the mix to freeze.
-- Upon returning home that evening, take the frozen jar and place it in a hot water bath, allowing the powder mix to thaw.
-- Refreeze the powder overnight.
-- If possible, repeat the thaw again in the morning (I could take the jar into the shower with me, I take hot showers), and refreeze for another day.

2) Pulling into IPA - my primary question here is how long to allow for each pull.
-- Thaw out the powder after the 2nd or 3rd cycle of freezing.
-- Warm a bowl full of 91-99% IPA in a hot water bath.
-- Pour the bowl full of IPA into the canning jar, and allow it to sit for some amount of time (an hour?)
-- After the requisite amount of time has passed, decant the IPA, making sure no plant matter goes with it.
-- Repeat two more times.
-- Take all of the IPA, and pour into a glass cooking pan, and place into the freezer, and allow everything to evaporate.

3) A/B
-- Mix whatever residue is left on the pan with just enough warm vinegar to dissolve all the residue.
-- Mix in an excess of washing soda, enough to leave a paste
-- Spread this paste thinly on the glass baking dish and allow to dry in open air overnight.
-- Collect this residue and crush it down into as fine a powder as possible.

4) Final Pull/Cleanup
-- Do 3x IPA pulls from the residue left over from the end of Step 3.
-- Wash the glass baking pan with soap and hot water, and dry thoroughly.
-- Consolidate all 3 IPA pulls back in the same glass pan
-- Place the pan in the freezer and allow all the IPA to evaporate.

The expected result should be a cold, waxy collection of N,N-DMT, N-MT, and maybe some other alkaloids/fats.

Any thoughts on how to get nice, pretty crystals that are easier to work with?

Thanks
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alert
#2 Posted : 10/29/2013 4:51:38 PM
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Quote:
-- Take all of the IPA, and pour into a glass cooking pan, and place into the freezer, and allow everything to evaporate.


Why would you evaporate IPA in the freezer? This is completely counterproductive.

Quote:
-- Do 3x IPA pulls from the residue left over from the end of Step 3.


Unless you are using 99% IPA your final product will contain residual SC, and even if you are using 99% you will likely still pull a little bit.

Whatever you are left with, I can't think of anyway to clean it up into anything resembling crystals without re-x and SC wash both of which require an NPS.

Who knows what your final product would look like... it would likely contain DMT and NMT but it would likely be pretty impure and dirty with plants/oils/SC etc
 
Nathanial.Dread
#3 Posted : 10/29/2013 5:14:15 PM

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alert wrote:
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-- Take all of the IPA, and pour into a glass cooking pan, and place into the freezer, and allow everything to evaporate.


Why would you evaporate IPA in the freezer? This is completely counterproductive.

Quote:
-- Do 3x IPA pulls from the residue left over from the end of Step 3.


Unless you are using 99% IPA your final product will contain residual SC, and even if you are using 99% you will likely still pull a little bit.

Whatever you are left with, I can't think of anyway to clean it up into anything resembling crystals without re-x and SC wash both of which require an NPS.

Who knows what your final product would look like... it would likely contain DMT and NMT but it would likely be pretty impure and dirty with plants/oils/SC etc

I chose the freezer because it's very dry, and a convenient place for me to store the stuff overnight. I have a very small flat that I share with four other folks.

What do you mean when you refer to SC?

Thanks for your advice.

Blessings
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#4 Posted : 10/29/2013 5:58:40 PM
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SC = sodium carbonate

You really don't want to use the freezer as a place to evaporate because it will make the process much, much, slower. Heat will obviously make it go faster, but if you can even find someplace to make evaporate it at room temperature it will make your life a whole lot easier.

 
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#5 Posted : 10/29/2013 8:12:05 PM

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Don't extract in your flat
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#6 Posted : 10/29/2013 11:08:53 PM

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Quote:
-- First thing in the morning, place ACRB powder in a canning jar and moisten (but not soak) with water. Put the jar of moist powder in the freezer, and go about my day, allowing the mix to freeze.
-- Upon returning home that evening, take the frozen jar and place it in a hot water bath, allowing the powder mix to thaw.


^^^ Right here your jar shatters.

I suspect dissolving your IPA extract in vinegar, basing, and pulling back into IPA is going to leave you with a product exactly like your initial IPA extract unless you include a cleaning step. While the product is dissolved in vinegar you could try defatting with non polar solvent, and this might clean it up a bit, but I make no guarantees it will make much if any difference.

Also yes if you are evaporating you will want to do that in front of a fan in a well ventilated area, the freezer will just keep it from evapping and fill all your flatmates food with solvent fumes. And remember heat + flammable solvents is sketchy business and best avoided if at all possible.
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