That teacher is a real hero.

It must be so strange to see a place from your childhood on the news like that.

Praying for the lives lost/damaged because of this out lash. I am sorry.

Let me start off by saying I'm extremely sorry for any lives lost/affected by this tragedy. I was right down the street from the horrific shooting that happened in Santa Monica College a few months ago and I know what its like when something like that happens to a community. Cailieg, That must provoke strange thoughts knowing that this happened at a school you used to attend and I'm sure you feel a connection to it that others don't.

But........ Since this is a subject which I am quite knowledgable in (school shootings) I want to offer you an opinion that Is stronger than just, "oh so tragic" "so sad" "what a tragedy" "who would ever do such a thing?".

With School shootings happening more and more frequently in the past couple of years I really think that people need to stop feeling so emotional about it and start asking the question WHY. Why are kids coming into schools and shooting other kids?

The anwser is that these kids who are shooting up schools are Messengers. As sick as they are too attempt to kill other people and then themselves, they are very brave for speaking out against what they feel is wrong. These kids recognize the corruption and dysfunction of the society in which they live and know that the only way they can convey their message is to do something that people can't ignore. These kids know money is worthless, they know they have infinite potential and they know there is truth and freedom outside of this prison, slave world that their elders have built for them.

I am just suprised to see that when things like this happen people act like they didn't expect them too. Look at the world around us, the education system is a horrible excuse for a government run day care, The media is constantly pumping violent propaganda into children's minds and most kids aren't even getting proper nutrition, rather excesses of Processed Crap.

I am as horrified as the next person when I hear about the latest school shooting but I am just not surprised. I urge you to try and see things from the shooters perspective because as sick as it may seem, it holds the key to actually understanding why school shootings are happening. School shooters are sending a message out to society and until people receive that message and change the conditions under which these events can occur, they will continue to shoot.

Its kind of like Growing mushrooms, you have to provide the mycelium with proper conditions so it can thrive and fruit. If you provide it with the proper conditions for contamination, it will most likely con tam. Well we as a society we are providing our kids with the proper conditions to commit acts like these as opposed to providing them with the kind of conditions that allow them to grow and reach their fullest potential.

I offer you my perspective because if you look at things from this way, school shootings are a very positive thing and this experience can help you grow as opposed to bring you down.

I commend that teacher for his brave act in saving those children. But even more I commend the student/shooter for his bravery far exceeded that of the teachers.

Rock the 40 oz. its the change that counts.

I am all in favour of improving society but don"t you think shooting your fellow students and their teachers is a bit of a misguided over reaction?????



If you can say that to the victim"s families with a straight face then you have a bigger set of balls than i.

All im trying to get people to do is to understand the perspective of the shooter. I truly feel that until people do these shootings will continue to happen until every kid is getting searched TSA style just to go to school.

And the kid might have "over reacted" but you must realize that the kid felt that this was the only way to have any noticeable impact. When you are being held in a place against your own will (school) you can start to feel like theres no other way to do it. Some kids learn and mature much faster than others and I myself have observed plenty a situation where the student is much smarter than the teacher. Once again, when your being held against your own will in a place where the authority figures are so cynical you can feel like nothing else works.

The shooter in this nevada shooting was 13 years old! I can't believe that any kid that young would naturally have the thought to do that. It's obvious there are people to blame for what the kid did besides the kid.

and I was under the impression the OP said it happened at a school he used to know, not to someone he knew. Even so I would say that to the victims families with the straightest face because they shouldn't of had kids in the first place. There is way too many people on this planet. That is another problem in the web of connected dots that is turning this planet into a prison.

Just beware, Emotions are the main tool the media uses to manipulate people into giving up their rights. Every time another story like this comes along we tend to become more surveilled and policed. More surveillance and police, fuel to the fire which caused this in the first place.

Uh, do you think you might be making a ridiculous amount of assumptions here, and projecting just a wee bit of your own shit onto individuals whose personal histories you know absolutely nothing about?



That is just dumb as hell, I'm sorry.



And that's officially the most insane-o comment I've ever seen here.

"Just beware, Emotions are the main tool the media uses to manipulate people into giving up their rights. Every time another story like this comes along we tend to become more surveilled and policed. More surveillance and police, fuel to the fire which caused this in the first place."

I feel that this is true..but I also feel like part of what you have said in this thread sounds batshit crazy..no offence..really..but I fail to see how one extreme suddenly makes a school shooting a good thing..or how it means the shooter had huge balls.

I think you are trying to apply polarized definitions to things that are not so well defined.

"The shooter in this nevada shooting was 13 years old! I can't believe that any kid that young would naturally have the thought to do that. It's obvious there are people to blame for what the kid did besides the kid."

isn't that usually the case? Sexual offenders and rapists etc often experienced similar things done to them in childhood..the unibomber was obviously super disgruntled with mass environmental devastation etc(and rightly so)..doesn't mean the actions they take are good things..however I agree these actions are bound to be taken by someone. This is the polarity our culture sets up..and it manifests through multiple shades of grey.

It's more just sad and pathetic that this is our society, than it is somehow a good thing.

, really sad about the killing spree yet i can't stop laughing after reading this thread

thank you jellyfox , i hope you're not going on a killing spree , not anytime soon atleast ,

^ Agreed.

"Right" intention is entirely subjective, but in this case, the intention was to make other human beings suffer.

Karma is unforgiving, and just. I hope this individual experiences the same suffering he has created in others, so a learning experience is possible.

I am sorry to keep adding to the criticism of your posts. But with an attitude like yours, you come across as part of the problem, rather than the solution.

I personally read Jellyfox´s first post as an attempt to step back and put the phenomenon of school shootings into a larger perspective. In this way, I agree with Jellyfox that it is not possible to fully explain/understand these phenomena by reducing them to acts of individual psychopathology.

I also believe that the larger social, political and historical context (which co-produce the way we think and relate to other human beings) should also be taken into account if we want to understand why people want to kill other people. I know this perspective may not be appealing or even acceptable to everyone (at least this impression I got from reactions to Jellyfox´s post). Yet from history, sociology and other social sciences we know that all human action is in some way embedded within the larger social and political contexts. However cruel they are, these school shootings are not effects of individual pathology - there are just too many of them, most of them "accidently" happen in the US, and they share many other common traits. This is how I understood Jellyfox´s intention in his first post: to see how these "individual" acts of cruelty are embedded within larger "social" (i.e. non-individual) structures.

The perspective Jellyfox proposed, of course, doesn´t mean to justify killing human beings. This perspective, of course, doesn´t want to diminish the great bravery of the teacher who sacrificed his life for the children. Reading Jellyfox´s input as "offensive", "insane" or "ridiculous" is, IMO, manifestation of an unwillingness to understand his attempt to step back and portrait a picture that would be more complex than the one we get from a newspaper.

Yet I understand that the event in question is perhaps too new and human suffering too proximate to attempt to generalize and theorize about it...

^ I can understand that. But let's break it down a bit:



This is not bravery.

Love motivates bravery.

Was this shooting an act of love?

You're not, trust me. This is a reprehensibly callous point of view, and what's more, it was presented in wacko fashion.

There's not much to dissect. It doesn't take Sigmund Freud to extrapolate the notion that America has an endemic problem with school shootings. Of course this is a societal issue - a very complicated one with vast and depressing implications. To jump from there to the utterly nitwit comments above (which I won't even dignify with response) is just pseudo-thinking presented for dramatic effect. My guess is that your Sociology Professor is likely to concur.

It's an internet forum. Take it as proof positive that enlightenment is not the guaranteed result of the use of psychedelics.

There are patterns to the shootings and many similarities exist between the shooters. You don't need a sociologist to tell you that.

I truly didn't mean to Offend anyone personally, But when things like this happen I am so shocked that I cannot just let them pass by my mind. I need to try and understand why such horrible things can be allowed to happen and to my mind this is the best explanation.

I think you some of you people would be really surprised to learn that these kinds of tragedies have a larger impact on me than they do most people and it is only because I feel so strongly that I have come to this point of view. And I know im wacko, crazy, insane you don't have to tell me.

Im not great with words and It is very hard to explain such a intricate and esoteric display of human behavior, But I still believe it's more constructive and positive than pouring loads of sadness into the situation and then forgetting about it.

No Gun Control, Just Get Rid of People Control.

(the album Anatomy Of A School Shooting by hip hop artist Ill Bill.)

I would submit to you the distinct possibility that you don't know shit about the impact of tragedy on most people. You should really just quit while you're ahead here (or not).

I get what he's saying. I don't agree with everything he said, but I get what he's saying.

The shootings are inevitable occurrences in a society of this nature. They are signals. Warning signs. Indicators of the fact that things are terribly far from what they should be in a healthy society.

I don't think they are positive things - but I see what he means when he says they can be seen in a positive light - because they are indicators. Like a check-engine-light in your car. It's not a good experience when it comes on, but if you're paying attention to things and are willing to make changes and adapt in order to prevent complete meltdown, they can be seen as good things to have.

These kids/people doing the shootings are not brave, courageous, etc in my opinion - they simply happen to be in the position where they are carrying a lot of the weight of the way things are and they break down.

For some reason the idea of a funnel comes to mind - compare the population of a school to the shape of a funnel, where the funnel shape itself are the people and the substance/energy passing through the funnel is the very substance/spirit/energy of life in whatever 'region' of life they are in. At the top of the funnel you have the largest number of people who are 'ok' and dealing with being a part of the societal system just fine - the popular kids, the nice happy kids, the average kids, etc - most of the kids in the school. Further down as the funnel gets smaller, you have smaller groups/numbers of people who are less ok being a part of the societal system - outcasts, rebels, etc. They're dealing with the same amount of energy coming through the funnel, but there are less of them so it weighs on them more, and thus, they are the rebels etc - it's too much so they fight back and don't fit in all nice n cozy. When you get to the very bottom of the funnel, maybe there's one kid at the very bottom - he's the ultimate bottleneck, and he's carrying the weight of the energy that at the top of the funnel, dozens of kids carried. Maybe he's the super shy quiet one that feels worthless, never gets looked up to, never is admired, never gets any attention from girls, is basically just a ghost in the hallways although he knows people talk about him and make fun of him cause he's just that kid and sees how people look at him sometimes. He sees everyone else enjoying youth while he goes unnoticed, or worse - noticed and looked down upon. He doesn't know how to be anything else and any attempts in the past just made things worse. It hurts him, and he spreads his awareness to how society is all like this and it makes him sick. Being in this position allows him to see what enables it, and allows him to see the dark sides of people more than if he was a loved, appreciated popular kid. It's just too much for him and he has become completely apathetic, just how everything/everyone seems towards him - he feels he's got absolutely nothing to lose, or maybe he does - his suffering - and losing that would be better than losing nothing at all. He focuses on all of this and the weight is too much for him to carry. He lets hate fill his heart soul and mind. The hate grows and grows like water in a balloon until BOOM it bursts and his hate explodes in the form of viscous murder against those higher up in the funnel who had it easier/better.

People who went through school being higher up in the funnel might not be able to see how a kid could feel that way and how it makes total sense for these things to happen...but it's just how it is. And until the nature of society changes from a pyramid/funnel form into a spherical form where attention/energy is spread evenly among everyone and everyone is cared for and tended to consciously, this is how it will be. It's just the nature of the mechanics of non-physical reality which we can't see with our eyes, but we instead feel with our very being - but the way things are, we only feel our immediate bubble - while other's are in their own little bubbles, which may be bright and happy, or very, very dark and gloomy. (with the exception of empaths, etc)

Note that I'm not saying things should change or be a certain way, I'm just stating that with the way things are, this is how it'll be.

These shootings and all the other tragedies in the world are natural events inherent in the type of society we live in and how it relates to itself and the planet.

Check-engine-lights before complete meltdown...or, perhaps, with the frequency of events in the recent past, maybe this is the meltdown, or the beginning of it.

They are warning signs, but is it this society's fault or the fault of psychopathic individuals?

I was the bullied one. I never fit in, and still don't. I don't blame it on society, it is just that my interests and mannerisms and general character do not mesh well with mainstream society. It used to bother me all the time, and I am not going to lie, it still does. But oh well, I coped and turned out just fine. Now I have a bunch of other weirdo outcasts to hang out with and they are MUCH more fun than all of those regular people

However, I cannot agree that society is why I am the odd one out. Certainly society is not what provokes little children to shoot each other. What we are dealing with in these cases are not by any means sane individuals; sane individuals simply DO NOT go on mass shooting sprees. They deal with their human problems in their own PRIVATE ways. If he is being bullied by a group of people, he can go talk to the principal or dean and they will do everything in their power to help. Especially these days, bullying is taken VERY seriously.

No, what we are dealing with are psychopaths. Crazy, ravaging psychopaths who don't fit sometimes in because they are crazy, ravaging psychopaths. I can think of a few people I went to high school with that fit this description. It isn't society that made them this way; they have extreme internal problems that they either need to sort out or are totally beyond their control. These people were not simply dorks or nerds or whatever. These people were the ones who gave you weird looks when you make eye contact with them, the ones that asked all the girls on their facebook friends profile for naked pictures. Just creepy, inappropriate, scary people.

I think that the part where society is at fault is how our news stations work. They are very much a for profit industry, and very much out to extract every possible advertising dollar from every single view they can. What this means is covering stories that will get them said views, no matter what. Stories like school shootings.

Crazy people sometimes like to go out with a bang. Crazy people watch TV and see other crazy people going out with a bang - and getting MILLIONS of people's attention to see this bang. They know that if they shoot up a school that they will live on in infamy forever.

But then what is the solution; to end coverage of school shootings? It is a DEEP rooted problem, whatever it is.

Absolutely - I definitely didn't mean to imply that I think any of the shooters/attackers are not at fault for their actions, if that's what it sounded like.

Was just trying to explain things from an alternate perspective which is difficult for me to explain.

I see it from several different perspectives, as I'm sure most do.

All different ways of looking at one thing.

The main thing I was trying to get across was how JellyFox said something about contaminations in a mushroom grow-op. It is very much like that, IMO. Contam can only occur when certain requirements are met. The group-consciousness of our modern day world allows for these people to exist, in some way - not that it removes the fault from the person choosing to take the actions, but - everything happens for a reason.

I read you loud and clear brotha! I apologize if that sounded like an attack on my behalf. All I was trying to do was expound upon the point you made and hopefully provoke further discussion.

However, I can't say I agree about the analogy to a mushroom grow. I believe that in regards to mental health issues, contamination is not dependent on certain requirements. Certain conditions may provoke or exacerbate mental health issues (cough cough, pharmaceutical industry) but so far as society goes, you cannot prevent people being born with problems in the way their brain works. We may eventually come to some point where every mental deficiency can be either cured or treated long term with 100% success, but that is far beyond our reaches at this point in time. I think to compare something as simple as a mushroom to something as a human psyche works on some BASIC level but not much beyond that. Humans are complicated organisms and people have severe mental health problems everywhere in all sorts of conditions.

I don't understand why so often people let their emotions override their logical thinking ability.

We will prevent more school shootings if we Seriously address the problem at its roots and stop the mental enslavement that is causing them. The shootings will continue if we Increase Security and Surveillance and other methods of control.

When my dad went to high school it was just a building with teachers. When I went to school we had cameras in every hallway and a police station built into the school. I don't want this pattern to continue until the kids of the future to have to submit to even more kinds of searches and surveillance.