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#1 Posted : 10/13/2013 1:09:31 AM

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hi nexus family.
ive been in the process of learning the art of doing rapé.
besides the tradicional yawanawa rapé, im studying a quite unique mixture.
ive got access to some ash they call paricá, wich is Anadenanthera colubrina.
but i presume its made from the root bark, since the seeds are just toasted, and not converted to ashes.
so i was meditating about the process and something occured to me:
ive read here that chali is active sublingualy, so maybe it can be active used as a snuff.
so i made a little experiment, mixed tobacco, chali, and the ash, and ended up with 3 doses wich i blew imediatly to test.
in less then 5 minutes i felt a tingeling in my hands, and my whole body starts vibrating, very light and pleasently.
my head beaceme cristal clear, my toughts slowed down, and suddently i heard inside my head this voixe telling me:
yes! you where right! but you allready knew that! go on with your work, you are in the right way!
and the voice kept encouraging me for like 5 minutes, and then it all faded away.

so im quite confident with this mixture, i just have a few questions:

1- i supose that the colubrina root bark has some active goodies, right? are they preserved if they are burned to ashes?

2- am i correct to assume that i can activate the chaliponga same way its done with the yopo seeds? the ashes are a weak base, so maybe adding a bit of sodium carbonate might help?

3- do you think that adding a MAOI to the mix can potenciate the effects? i was thinkting about a caapi 10x water extract.

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#2 Posted : 10/13/2013 1:49:33 AM

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when i have more time i will start a rapé workspace, there is a lot of interesting infos that im gathering, that i think most people will find interesting
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#3 Posted : 10/13/2013 2:38:30 AM

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You might want to try food grade lime, available at health food stores as your source of lime. Not sure if i'd want sodium carbonate up my nose....I've successfully used lime to activate adenanthera seeds as a snuff on many occasions.
 
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#4 Posted : 10/13/2013 2:51:48 AM

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I have snuffed chaliponga extract lots of times..I doubt your going to get very deep just snuffing powdered leaf though. The data I have read that suggested psychotria/chaliponga being used traditionally in snuffs among amazonians involved brewing the leaf with tobacco and sometimes vine, and boiling it down to a paste/snuff that was rubbed into the gums or snuffed similar to yopo and virola. Any data on this is extremely rare though and I have searched for anything other than vague mention of it in papers.

Anyway, you might want to look into doing it that way instead of just powdering leaf.

Snuffing lime is more painful than sodium carbonate..and lime has a higher ph.

I could be wrong but I really doubt there is actives that are tryptamines present in anadenanthera ashes.
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#5 Posted : 10/13/2013 3:49:11 AM

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Personally I would use baking soda for basing a snuff (and in small amounts). It will still get it plenty basic without giving it an extreme ph and burning the heck out of your poor mistreated sinus cavity.
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#6 Posted : 10/13/2013 10:27:06 AM

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indeed, i discarded the possibility of using lime exactly because of that matter.
anyway i think i will start to experiment with baking soda, and if im not satisfied i will heat it in the oven to make it a stronger base. and i will start with minimum amounts.

jamie, i was wondering about that, i will get some vine, and make some experimentation..
what would you advise me, 3 times 3 hour brews? and do i put the plant material after reducing the brew significantly? or do i reduce the brew to a goo, dry and crush it to mix it with the plant material?
the chaliponga ideia came to me exactly because i had my doubts that the ashes would be active.
it makes me think, because i just made a small mix to experiment, and before aplying it, i asked it to show me its potential. and it came to me as a teacher, wich is exactly my goal!
a quite mild experience, but it showed me that im in the right way! so sometimes is not just about the active content of the stuff. Smile

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