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TheIdea
#1 Posted : 9/23/2013 11:26:05 PM
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Well , its been a while since I've been on here but I've been on a strange personal journey and didn't feel the need I once did for reassurance from my fellow trippers as I once did in the beginning .. I know that maybe I could have posted a bit more from time to time so that any others in my old state of mind could benefit from hearing some of what I've been going through , plus Im sure a few of you out there still get the same giddy excited feeling and chills I do from hearing someone from a different side of the sun having an enlightening experience similar to your own that rings many bells and brings you back to that moment when it was you having it , anyway whats done is done but im here now . Thumbs up


Anyways ill cut to the point , This isnt a trip report as such , its more of a question about sleep , with description of the trip preceding the events that brought the question about , here goes ...

Usually , my trips are very spiritual and meaningful , to the point that they almost always leave me feeling alleviated of all impurities physical and non-physical , but my last psychedelic session was a bit different , It was on lsd .. and no it wasnt an RC or anything.

Anyway , I had been doing ketamine occasionally for about a month before this as well as Acid probably every 2 or 3 weeks .. well this time I pushed it a bit , I took 2 blotters of around 200ug each (this is a lot for me , I usually do probably 2 100ug tabs) by myself in my house and waited for it to start .

When it came on I immediately found myself tripping heavily , at one point the blanket on my bed turned into some sort of giant crab walking towards me and I literally thought I was about to die , but I snapped myself out of that before letting it get out of control in that direction

I make my way outside to get some fresh air , I look up and the whole night sky was connected and I could see the constellations like connect the dots and also what could be either ufo's or meteors wizzing around , I also remember looking in the mirror and seeing a strange curved force-field that turned into some sort of 3d Holopgraphic blueprints of some sort of device or machine like something out of Iron Mans Basement floating in front of me and rotating + some sort of patterns coming off of my body like a sort of exo-skeleton like I was in the future or something haha it was completely different than anything Ive experienced before ... This was also the first time I've had actually hallucinations of things outside of my minds eye e.g Right in front of me .

Well this is where it gets weird , as I was looking into this "Machine Hologram" it began to complexify to the point where it felt as though I was on the edge of something very dangerous , It felt as though if I went any further I would destroy my own soul (thinking this was possibly the cause of the descent into madness later).

Anyway , after that its started to spiral out of control , I began thinking some sort of demon was trying to trick me into opening pandora's box so to speak , And I dont even believe in demons , other than my inner ones , but this felt like an outside force tempting me to do bad things (causing more irrationality and fear than before) .. this then lead to a similar idea I once seen in south park about the aliens and planet earth being a tv show , Like the truman show except more spiritual if you get me , Suddenly I transformed into like 8 different perspectives at once all of which seemed nothing like me.

At first I though I had gone mad (like Terrence Mckenna says , "oops , you've done it this time , you broke your brain" ) So I told myself "No , this always happens and your never right so .. just NO" . I tried ignoring their voices and their opinions but they just kept on commentating on whatever It was I was doing , booing me , daring me to do stuff , laughing and even chatting amongst themselves about me , At this point I had no control over the thoughts in my head , only my actions .. but the 3d holographic pandoras jet engine (best description Ive got) kept popping up and enticing me into it and whenever id observe it the different perspectives would get excited , here's some examples of things they would say , "oh look hes going for the fridge" "Boringggg why are you wasting our time" "he doesnt like us very much does he" SO BASICALLY .. it was pretty annoying haha .

It felt As though I myself was some sort of bio-robotic machine built for entertainment purposes for some sort of intelligence from the future or something , and all of these identities where along for the ride in my head like being john malkovich or something ... Severe delusions is all I could make from it , but they seemed very real at the time , I definitely didn't feel like I had created them , maybe unconsciously .. who knows it was pretty random .

Well , after A while I began to come down , they seemed to dissipate after about 3 hours and I returned to a familiar version of myself again , but here is where my question comes into play ...

For the next week or so I was unable to sleep at all , or at least I though as much ..
it felt as though I had been lying in bed awake all night every night but in the morning id feel fairly rested , as the days went on I forgot about the fact that I had ever slept any other way , and Now 2 months later my normal sleeping abilities have returned , with a twist , now every night I go to sleep , as soon as I get into a dream-state I become conscious (aware that im in bed sleeping but fully immersed in the dream also) I can wake myself up at anytime , Im completely aware of everything that's happening around me all without taking away from the deepness of the sleep , its kind of strange it like im awake and dreaming at the same time sort of like a dmt trip , Plus the dreams are much more Complex and interesting , they seem to have some sort of relation to my daily life in a symbolic manner (strange coincidences and connections between dream world and real world which seems to be going somewhere though im not sure where) Im not sure if its my unconscious or inner self trying to warn me of some future event or make me realize something Im just not seeing or if its all random to make me think so to get whatever desired meaning I want from it , there's also the possibility that I look way to deep into these things and I've considered this too , still .. its eerie , but the dreams are really something else Cool

And by the way I recently stopped smoking cannabis also .


My Question Is A Simple One

Has anything similar to this ever happened to anybody else ?


Thanks for taking the time to read Big grin


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universecannon
#2 Posted : 9/24/2013 12:48:08 AM



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Good report. I've experienced things similar to this

LSD seems to have a really interesting affect on sleep/dreams and lucid dreams is definitely a potential after effect, so we're in the same boat there. I've been aware of my body laying in bed while off in a lucid dream as well, and forced myself back into the dream after accidentally awakening. Dreaming is the weirdest!

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Well this is where it gets weird , as I was looking into this "Machine Hologram" it began to complexify to the point where it felt as though I was on the edge of something very dangerous , It felt as though if I went any further I would destroy my own soul (thinking this was possibly the cause of the descent into madness later).


I think your probably right about that. Whenever you stand on the edge of that precipice and the ego recognizes its about to be obliterated this sort of thing can happen. Good for you for not giving in fully to any of it though. In this state the imagination (which is probably non-local IMO) is on over-drive and a sort of auto-pilot as well... and that combined with a heightened level of suggestibility can be a disaster for believing in "delusions" or any idea that pops int your head, and acting upon them. But those two factors can also lead to some incredible life changing experiences as well.



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#3 Posted : 9/24/2013 1:07:26 AM

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I had something very similar happen to me after a night with a big bag of mushrooms. Not the trip specifically, but the after-effect on my dream state. I've always been able to become lucid during dreaming since I was very young, but after that trip things went in another direction and I started to be able to do it at will, control my dreams more, and learned to interpret them better. The effect never went away Smile

Since then I've read many books about lucid dreaming and everything I could find on the internet. I started experimenting with dream inducing plants. It can be a very rewarding journey, learning more about your dreams. It can also be somewhat scary at times. Not every aspect of your psyche is friendly, so to speak Smile I suppose the same could be said about what you experienced during your trip. Whether they were actual entities outside of yourself, or just an aspect of your mind, sometimes when journeying out that far....there be monsters. Wink
 
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#4 Posted : 9/24/2013 1:56:10 AM
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In this state the imagination (which is probably non-local IMO) is on over-drive and a sort of auto-pilot as well... and that combined with a heightened level of suggestibility can be a disaster for believing in "delusions" or any idea that pops int your head, and acting upon them. But those two factors can also lead to some incredible life changing experiences as well


Yeah I agree with you on the non-locality only because its the only logical explanation I can come up with as to how I can experience being the the entire universe all at once in a place with no time or boundaries Surprised The statement "We Are All One" seems like common sense to me now .. In a why didnt I think of it before kind of way , I have actually only ever experienced the good life changing aspects of this at all , this was new to me .
Thanks for the reply universecannon , I just gotta be careful with them delusions I guess Razz


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after that trip things went in another direction and I started to be able to do it at will, control my dreams more, and learned to interpret them better. The effect never went away Smile


How long has it been that way now ? Because Ive had similar semi-permanent after effects from acid , like while lying in bed at night in the dark with eyes closed if Id look close enough things would light up and it would be like a neon colored hieroglyphics roller-coaster through my mind full of symbols , some I recognized but some seemed rather alien to me , but after a few months it went away Sad I actually really miss that haha


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Since then I've read many books about lucid dreaming and everything I could find on the internet. I started experimenting with dream inducing plants. It can be a very rewarding journey, learning more about your dreams


Any you would recommend ? I have so many books and stuff lying around waiting to be read but im sure I could add a couple more Thumbs up


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I suppose the same could be said about what you experienced during your trip. Whether they were actual entities outside of yourself, or just an aspect of your mind, sometimes when journeying out that far....there be monsters.


Yeah that part could have got to me if I had been less experienced , that said im only doing psychs around 2 years so im not that far into it , who knows maybe I delved a bit deeper than I should have and I just wasnt ready for that type of stuff so it frightened me , Suppose I'll never really figure that one out for sure ..

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#5 Posted : 9/24/2013 3:08:20 AM

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I have half awake half dreams like that. I've always assumed that it is fairly normal but takes a certain sense of detachment and focus at the same time to really let it take hold.

I've also experienced that kind of mundane commentary too. I think it had happened more than once, but I only remember on time clearly. I was about 20 years old and tripping pretty well on some RC, scratching records from the 70s.

Messing with records was a new thing for me and it seemed pretty awesome. A very fast way to be musical. Anyways, I was trancing myself out on it and seemed to be expanding outward a bit. Suddenly I heard a pair of voices talking in the back of my mind. They sounded like...dudes. Coherent, cool, American guys.

One said something like "oh check this out". "Oh yeah, huh, that's not bad." Getting a little louder "ha, he's just going for it." Or something like that. At this point I'm getting weirded out but trying to just go with it and stick to the music, but I'm becoming more focused on the voices. A little more chatter, then "hey check this out - HEY WHAT ARE YOU..." Yelled loudly in my ear. I rip off my headphones and it stops with the music.

Completely freaky. I had had some alien and mystical levels of self and shared selves and whatnot moments up to that point, but this didn't seem alien at all. It was like some guys were so in control of their ability to project their consciousness, that they were just surfing through various people's psychedelic experiences. But they did not come across as enlightened, just having a knack for this.

I've often wondered how accurate that interpretation is.
 
 
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