So i had something unfortunate happen to me last night.
At 9.20 pm, i decided to take a small, sub mg dose of what was suosed to be 4-aco-dmt. I had tested it earlier with ehrlichs - deep purple, indoles - close enough i thought. "Take now a veeery small dose and test it later with a more suitable reagent to verify it's 4-aco!"

Well, 20 minutes later, i suddenly felt my heart starting to race like mad in a rythm that would put john coltrane to shame. You can imagine how alarmed i was by this and the onset of dizzyness did not eleviate my fear. I could only think "oh shit". Tried to lay down, but it would not help much. Slowly, but surely, my heart beat would slow down just to give way to prickling sensations in my extremeties. By then i had consumed everything the internet had to offer on anaphylatic shocks and allergic reactions and thought about disposing of all psychedelics to avoid negative press in case of my death.

Then, i started to get really cold and started to shake uncontrollably. My face went pale like a ghost, but it wasn't Casper, the friendly one.

I sat on my bed for hours, knees to by stomach waiting ....waiting...at around 12am, i felt stable enough to go to sleep, but still pondered the possibility of not waking up. I didn't want to die even though i formulated my last words and tried to accept my possible fate.
But here i am, still...the morning after. Still feeling tired, dizzy...anxiety threshold severely lowered. Not sure if i've recovered yet. Not sure if aa mug of joe would do anything good....

I don't know what i experienced. An adverse reaction to anything in that baggy?
A manifestation of psychosomatic fear (of bad, potentially deadly RCs ?)...a panic attack?
Some people might be scared away from trying 4-aco after reading this. But who knows what it was. It was an indole and tasted a bit like liquorice. That's all i can say. Now i can never take 4-aco again because...even if it was psychosomatic....my body would respond in the same way.

Please wish me a speedy and full recovery and be cautious if you're trying new substances. I thought i was, but i wasn't enough.

Thank you for posting and the reminder.
I'm sorry you had to go through this & I hope you do have a speedy and full recovery.
<3

Sorry to hear about this unfortunate turn of events....

Get well soon

Thank you both for the love and compassion.

The story does not end here though. It's not yet another moralistic tale of proper drug use and testing. The nexus is full of that already. Its also a story of how the universe reacts in times of crisis. I realized, that i wasn't ready to die just yet. That i wanted to stroll the park in my neighbourhood once again, grabing a bunch of wet, half rotten leafs to smell their earthly scent. To do everything that is human and lively, and joyous. I pictured meeting a friend of mine should i survive. I logged into my email account, hoping she'd have replied to my last piece of an ongoing conversation. To hear from a treasured person one last time. Low and behold, there was her email sitting right there, after weeks of silence. I also got a message from okcupid that someone had rated me highly and the fortune cookie read "Live your phantasy". I knew that the Universe didn't want me dead just yet. I had confirmation, that there is important work to do.

The 4-aco-dmt trip that never came, manifested itself nevertheless. Just in another modality.

I'm glad you're well, and more than able to realize something important from a bad ride. Thanks for sharing and stay safe.

Wow. Just, wow...

That says everything about your character

Exactly what I was thinking. We're glad you made it out safely, hopefully you're back to normal soon. Take it as a learning experience, as I'm sure you have.

Frankly, I don´t understand these responses... Obliguhl shared his (pretty unexpected and frightening) experience to warn us against possible dangers of strong allergy reactions to certain substances... and not to have his character judged.

I thank Obliguhl for sharing his difficult experience - I learned from it.

Could it have possibly been 5-meo-amt?

They both turn purple under ehrlich's, and i can see how a few mgs of 5-meo-amt could give the affects you got, and be quite alarming/troubling when you are expecting 4-aco-dmt. Its active in the few mg range, depending on how much of an allergy test you took, that may be a possible theory as to what happened.

IDK though, perhaps theres a way to determine the difference between indoles using more reagent tests than ehrlich's alone. Like a follow up test with mandelin, marquis, mecke, simons, ropeadope, etc.

I've been wanting to get a set myself, glad your ok and testing your rc's though. Just watch out, theres some potent indoles that will turn purple under ehrlich's, along with 4-aco-dmt, so very small allergy testing was a smart thing to do.

No, no... this was in reference to him thinking to dispose of his psychedelics in the case of his death to avoid bad press. He was thinking to do the psychedelic community a favour, which shows his virtuousness.

I also had an adverse reaction to 4-aco-dmt similar to what you're describing here. The strange thing was it was from a batch I had already tested and seemed to be completely fine. I wasn't sure if it was degradation or some other factor, but I ended up flushing what was left and making a vow never to touch any RC's again.

I had the same racing heart, light-headedness, feeling of being cold and shaking uncontrollably. Very frightening and challenging to get through. This wasn't a massive dose I had taken either...

What confused me the most was that it was from a batch I had enjoyed several times prior.

"racing heart, light-headedness, feeling of being cold and shaking uncontrollably"

I have had that more than once with both mushrooms and ayahuasca, and for brief moments with vaped DMT as well. Not sure if it's the same as you are describing but for me certain tryptamines can just do that.

Anxiety/panic attacks do that to me also.

Its hard to say what could be the cause unless you get it analyzed.

But i have had those effects from snuffing dmt after eating some harmalas, and oral dmt. As well as cannabis. I've never taken 4 aco though

After reading this I'm glad that I started with a 500 ug dose in my 'allergy' testing before proceeding to 3 mg at the next stop with 4-aco-dmt. From this my Mrs and I tried 10 mg and it went well. After that my Mrs tried 20 mg while I was her sitter. All of these experiments were from the same batch. I think that meticulous cautiousness is always warranted if one is to experiment with 'RCs'.

I am glad that you are OK after what was a damn scary experience.

I was out camping with a friend and we both took about 25mg of confirmed 4acodmt.

I had no issues but he had a severe reaction reminding of yours minus the shaking, this was a learning experience for both of us though.

We were stuck in the woods and he could be in potential danger from a reaction to drugs.

In the end he was fine though and blamed the reaction to poor diet and the fact he had been doing a bunch of speed earlier in the week.

Also he said he has gotten similar reactions from mushrooms.

My experience has also shown that RC's are the devil!!
Had some very bad experiences result in hyper hypertension, that would last for 12-20+ hrs....Scary and terrifying come to mind as adjectives to describe the experience.
The only street drug I still use (if you call it a street drug) is ketamine, but I consider that to be in another world of safety than many of the high potency RC's.
The worst part is that it's hard to know what you are getting, for sure that is.
/End of Line.

Well, well...it is mighty interesting to read, that others have had adverse reactions to 4-aco-dmt. It is always portrayed as this benign cousin of mushrooms, with minimal bodyload. I think i have not found a single instance in which someone talked about negative effects before. I'm really glad too, i took a small allergy test first. I was tempted to start with something like 5mg because of the positive reports on the web. Who knows what would have happened.

While the reaction i had could have been a "harmless" panic attack of some sort, who knows if this chemical does not have potentially dangerous effects on some individuals - even in sub perceptual doses. I think it is now established, that its metabolisation into psilocin is pure SPECULATION. So who knows. I just want to say, that i wasn't anxiously waiting for effects to take hold. It ran over me like a freight train of discomfort. It did feel like coming up on something, with a bodyload....but with arrythmic tachkardia and later on - the shaking.

I've had coffee that day. (Just mentioning it to collect some data on this phenomenon).



The thing is, with mushrooms and ayahuasca i would be pretty certain that it would be a panic attack which would eventually subside. I have taken both enough times to feel confident, that they mean no harm to my body in the doses i've taken them. I can't say the same for some greyish powder i THINK is 4-aco-dmt ... i believe that's what made this experience so damn scary.



Funny you mention that. I just tested my ketamine the other day (i had adverse reactions to) and well, it was AT LEAST tainted with Amphetamines. I don't know, this game is no fun.

And about judging my character...if it's positive, it helps heal identity and if it is negative, it may lead to personal improvement.

Have a silly fine day everyone!

Yes Michal, why did you automatically assume we judged his character negatively?

Come now, come now. Lets keep our toys in the pram. This appears to me to be a bit of mis-communication. As is the case on occasion when using forums on a global scale.

Obligul, i agree that you are particularly virtuous by thinking to dispose of your paraphernalia before shuffling off this mortal coil. If it were me, i would be running around the house tearing my hair out and stressing about all the things that i had yet to do in life while making sure the cat had plenty of food. The idea of him eating my cold, rotting corpse sometimes haunts my dreams.

I also like the fact that it turned into a positive experience. There is nothing like a brush with death to give you a bit of a lift.

Thanks for pointing this out to me.

OK, I might have misinterpreted statements of some of the Nexians in this thread, and I apologize for that