Any super sensitive tryptamine people here?

Apparently a small percentage of the population is extremely sensitive to these molecules.

My primary interest in this is due to my main trip partner of late is hyper sensitive and has apocalyptic trips on small doses. Which to my chagrin isn't me, i have the normal if not hard headed tolerance. His experiences are so intense and vivid that we are going to keep him on less than a g of mushrooms & try to let him explore this gift without shitting his pants. The ability to get to such a level on such a small dose really opens up possibilities for exploration, its intense but doesn't last long.

I postulate that perhaps there have been some tryptamine sensitives in history, great visionaries that can access the collective unconsciousness with ease.




Here are a few of his trips..

1 g mushroom tea, not brewed thoroughly and didn't eat the bits after..

"I realized things were becoming much more intense and I was having a hard time walking. So we plopped down at the top of this hill overlooking a huge flowered meadow with the sky out in front of us and these wispy clouds.
When I looked at myself or ****** (it turns out his shirt pattern accidentally resembled the Eye of Horace) things looked relatively normal, a tad "off" but not disintegrating or anything. But when I looked into the sky it was almost unbearable and I became very very anxious. The clouds were exploding out in complicated fractal patterns, which was theoretically beautiful, but if I looked too long, the entire things became this complex web of connected information, and when I looked longer, circles opened, lined with what felt like digital patters, one within another, descending down onto me, and I was terrified that I was going to get sucked into a wormhole. I could look away to ***** and reset to zero, but as soon as I looked up it all started again. The field in front of me was shifting wildly, and the huge clusters of flowers took on a mosaic pattern. I remember thinking that each type of plant was assigned a particular geometric shape.
The whole thing got interrupted by this harsh grunting that turned out to be a deer. I sat up and the deer and I locked eyeballs for about a half hour. Birds passing by left trails of themselves five or so deep. Then ***** said, "Why are they being so rough on you? Don't they realize you made them?" And I said, "Hey yeah, c'mon you asshole mushroom. Give me a break, I'm your father!" And at that moment, this weird transition took place and I got nailed with euphoria and a sense I have never experienced in my life of being fused into my natural surroundings. I felt like if I saw a tick on my arm I would have just gushed with joy giving it some of my blood, and I was apologizing to plants as I walked through the meadow. It was almost unbearably wonderful. I walked past a cluster of birch trees and they struck me as a group of fierce female warriors, and everything had some characteristic about that never would have occured to me before. This is not my typical way of thinking. I have never been an emotional tree-hugger.
Then we decided it was time to head back, about two hours in now, because it was getting dark."

20 mg DMT


"wheel is remarkably close, but body covered in eyes and complex shapes turning in on themselves and resurfacing, the wheel covered in symbols. Not sure what to make of all that, but that's what I saw."

After the seraphim, are the many-eyed Cherubim (Means Great understanding) who are radiant with the knowledge of the mysteries of God and the depths of His Wisdom. "


Ezekiel 10:12

12 Their entire bodies, including their backs, their hands and their wings, were completely full of eyes, as were their four wheels. 13 I heard the wheels being called “the whirling wheels.”

lots of depictions around, but he said this was similar except the circles had language and the body had eyeballs



The last DMT trip..

" The experience I had was so horrible my mind has erased much of it. I was sobbing and terrified, in this tornado of meaninglessness, thinking "this is what's waiting for me." It was reptilian, like I was thrown into a hungry pit and they were feeding on the first soul they'd been tossed in a million years. I felt like I was being followed for days afterwards. I thought I would never smile again. It ruined this new perception I had that I'd accessed something beautiful, and I had the sense that behind it all was this menace luring us in with these sparkly jewels. I don't believe that now, and I'm sure I sound crazy contemplating that the experience was real, but it's hard not to feel that way because it feels more real than what you are capable of perceiving in this unmedicated life. Anyway, that taught me that the substance is intimidating and powerful and that it should not be taken lightly, and so I'm on a break now, still sorting things out."

Namaste,

Some powerfully intimidating experiences and I can see why you might see yourself as exceptionally sensitive. I sincerely hope your integration of these experiences continues smoothly, and that you are able to comfortably find the place tryptamines may or may not have in your life. The last trip in particular I will not even speculate on. I cannot imagine how it felt to be in such a situation. I too have had my share of bad trips but what you describe, feeling like you might never smile again, sounds hard to integrate, but could end up a powerful lesson, or a faded memory; however you need it to be.

The only person I know who comes close is my spouse. I gave her 2g of mushrooms, which for most people I have known is a good trip, but not world shattering. On 2g of cubensis she had complete ego dissolution, and found herself floating in a sea of fractals she described as nirvana or oneness, she did not exist to herself at that point. She simply laid on our bed and gurgled for a bit. She described it as perfect bliss and coming back to her body as absolute madness.

Again though my thoughts are with you and I will certainly point her this way when she wakes. I was unable to sleep beyond 5a.m. due to back pain.

Cheers

thanks for the kind words, i will pass them on. To clarify its not i who is sensitive but my friend. I end up dealing with his anxiety while trying to get the most out of my experience.

The last dmt was a wild ride for him. He wanted to go deep so we loaded up the gravitron with 20 mg & had 20 in a freebase pipe. The idea was he would toke the pipe then hit the gravity bong, he never made it to the bong so i took it. A sub-breakthough dose for me but was enjoying it thoroughly when after about a minute of my friend just laying back on the couch with his eyes closed he sat straight up and said 'oh no, this isn't good', eyes opened but darting about, apparently taking in all hell had to offer, it was very traumatic. At least he stayed put and I was able to get my mild CEV's.

Many apologies, for some reason I read it as you. Hmm, more coffee perhaps is needed at this point.

Either way my message of love understanding and hopes for integration stand and I can tell you he is not alone. As I said my partner had ego death on a very small mushroom dose. And that last dmt trip sounds absolutely beyond intense.

Much love.

Unfortunately, I have a very high tolerance to tryptamines. I have to go to extreme measures to have very intense experiences. I'm used to it at this point Fasting, avoiding certain foods (that's putting it mildly, I scrutinize everything I eat) long hours of meditation, drinking caapi often and using harmalas to almost uncomfortable levels. Fortunately, I seem to have a rather low tolerance for MAOI's so it does tend to balance out. Although sometimes I just want to have a mushroom trip or a vaped DMT journey without MAOI and also without having to dose stupidly high.

I have a very strange sensitivity to tryptamines. Strange, in the sense that some tryptamines I'm highly sensitive to, and others I'm quite the hard head.

Psilocybin: My first, and all-around favorite psychedelic. A single gram of cubensis mushrooms is usually enough to give me a wild, intensely visual, ego-dissolving (and sometimes downright shattering) experience. Two years ago at a good friend's birthday party, a small group of us split a single batch, with me taking 1 gram, and my friend whose party it was, took 3 grams. I spent most of the trip incapable of coherent speech, or even understanding most speech. I also had visuals that rivaled his and was still tripping while most everyone else had already come down. At the peak, while laying down with my face in a pillow, I experienced visions very similar to what I've since experienced on a breakthrough dose of DMT. That's what led me to exploring hyperspace a few months later.

LSD: This is where things get weird. Last year I acquired a strip of 250 microgram LSD blotters from a trusted source (and tested positive with an Ehrlich reagent test). I gave a tab to my roommate, who split it with her friend and had an amazing time. I had to take two tabs(~500 mics) to get a similar effect. The same has happened since then with LSD from a vial. I seem to need a *minimum* of 300 micrograms to just get tracers, and 400-500 micrograms for anything more significant than that. And I've never had an acid trip last longer than 7 hours, with occasional after effects lasting for another hour or two.

Beta-Carbolines and Ayahuasca: This is another interesting one. I've had some pretty intense, long-lasting (30+ minute) trips on 1:1 changa mixtures of DMT and Harmine, but I've failed to get anything more than threshold effects from ayahuasca, while using as much as 300-400mg of Harmine (freebase that I converted to Citrate prior to ingestion).

I have a hard time fathoming taking over a gram of dry cubensis at this point. That(or even less) is enough for me to have complex 3d closed eye visions and some open eye stuff going on. I have eaten much more in the past but my nervous system just has no need for large doses anymore. I just seem to tune right in with anything over like .5g. I am not sure why I am this way. I get away with lower doses of DMT than many others also..and cacti.

20mg is actually a breakthrough dose for many people if you smoke it all in one hit

I've always been pretty sensitive to tryptamines and lsd. When my friends would take the same amount of mushrooms or lsd, i'd sometimes be having a visionary journey or profound ego-death experience while they were often hardly having visuals, if any at all. Weed in low amounts has also always been intense and psychedelic for me.

The weird thing is how much my sensitivity changed even more within the past 3 or 4 years, probably due to my intake of melatonin and my MAOI filled diet (both from flavonoids in fruit and daily harmala microdosing for 1.5 years).. For example, when it comes to pharma, at one point I was taking over 200mg harmalas and around 60 or 70mg dmt for a very strong trip. Now I get almost the same effects from 100mg harmalas and 30mg dmt. So its been a huge increase in both tryptamine and harmala sensitivity, for some reason. Now 2g of a rue brew on its own is very psychedelic, and not an amount that i would want to go over.

My brother, on the other hand, doesn't get visuals, from even 3g of dried cubes. A few weeks ago, he and I smoked about 30mg of DMT each, and only got a weird body high from it, while I broke through and was transported to an 'alternate reality version of his neighborhood where no human habitation had ever taken place'.

3gr of dried cubes would send me to the other end of the universe or soo deep into my own body that i could watch my own DNA-synthesis. I did both once in a trip, vibrating between micro and macro cosmos, it was difficult to handle.
I feel slightly apprehensive to repeat that.
It was on par with the most intense Ayahuasca session i ever had.

I have become more sensitive to shrooms and less sensitive to hamalas.

In relation to oral/tea:

My wife wanted to try mimosa/rue as I had done prior. She was worried about it being difficult as I wasn't kind to myself first go at it (10g mimosa/rue).

She decided on a small ~2g mimosa boil w 3 g rue. She had very little dmt/aya effect by it, BUT she was puking every 3-5 minutes for 4 hours It was TERRIBLE. Literally she couldn't stop puking and have very little time between bouts. I felt horrible for her. I'm not sure if it was the rue or the mimosa that had her stomach upside down for that long.

She is odd even with colds and the flu though. It is very common for her that if she throws up once, it fully empties her stomach and then quickly bile alone builds and makes her puke again. Sucks

3g of rue can be a lot for many people. I know some people here think that's a low dose or just enough to inhibit the mao and that's it but for many people 3g of rue is full blown dreamworld visions and intense nausea and vomiting. Your dose is your dose is how I see it, and I am more and more shaking my head at people who think that because they need lots of vine or lots of DMT to get off, or because amazonians drink tons of vine that everyone should drink that much.

I would give your wife no more than 1.5g rue next time..adjust from there and then figure out how much admixture she needs.

I drank 1.5g of rue with 3-4g eyeballed dose of mimosa brew yesterday and the DMT fully activated and I puked at the peak and it was almost too much. I don't usually go above 2g rue anymore. I have gone up to about 6g of rue and I cant even take much back from that I am just such a mess vomiting all over and to nauseated to move..and diet has nothing to do with it cus I was doing diets during that time.

@jamie, Good advice on rue dose next time (if she is even willing to ever give it another go). I agree that each person will just have to sort out their own doses -- definitely seems to vary a lot between people. Of course the experience varies person to person so greatly as do their interpretations and level of fear/excitement. Even if 'samedose'='sameexperience' person to person that experience may be a 2/10 intensity to one and a 10/10 intensity to another -- not because the experience was different but because their interpretations and psyche are different. So subjective all around!

I have limited personal experience with mimosa/rue and am still sorting out my own doses of each. I found at 5g rue, the trip was just too long (had one trip at nearly 10 hours before feeling grounded). My stomach must be iron because in 7 mimosa/rue teas ranging from 3-10g mimosa and 3-6g rue I only puked a couple of the trips and only once. What I'm most after is figuring out the relation between rue/mimosa ratios and the actual experience. I seem to have conflicting data so far. For example, at 10g mimosa/3.5g rue I received a real ass kicking of ego death and an eternity in a void. Yet another experience at 7g/4g I barely had anything other than heavy body load, no visuals, and overall a fizzle (same material). Another time at 5g/4g I went quite deep and far (not the ass kicking of 10g/3.5g... but far). In the 7 or so teas to date, I have yet to sort out anything I can remotely count on dosage to intensity. I'm guessing likely factors are:

1. inconsistent technique of making the tea
2. diet (what my stomach has in it has been varied and not really comparable each time)

For me, 3g of rue isn't even enough to achieve mao inhibition (and I only weigh about 145 pounds).

My friend had her aya prepared by the same person who prepared mine on that occasion, using 3g of rue and 4g of mimosa, and had a powerful experience. We both fasted for 12 hours prior.

I'm sensitive to most substances, a dose I would take of certain things some friends wouldn't even get a buzz from. It seems the same with the molecule, friends have had more than I and not broken through. One friend in particular has had trouble breaking through and what got me think was; he mentioned he never dreamed and if he did he would never remember, I dream every night and remember most and rather vividly. Don't know if it is anything but it gave me something to ponder.

I dream pretty vividly most nights too. I also lucid dream several times per month, on average. I used to be able to do it 'on command', but I've gotten out of practice.

Yes indeed.

My wife once took a tea from 0,5g Rue (no kidding, I measured it very precisely), no DMT/other admixtures. Within 30 minutes or so she fell asleep for about 2 hours, and then she felt very sedated (yet "nicely" for the rest of the day... I was glad I didn´t give her more

At this time, a Rue tea from 2,5g is enough for full inhibition for me (and I weight around 170 pounds). With a very careful diet, I think that even 2g might be enough.

When I gave my best friend his first DMT experience, I wanted him to have a light one just for him to get a feeling of what it is like. I loaded about 10-12mg of freebase in my little glass bong (ash sandwich style) and carefully licked the flame on the DMT while he sucked in the smoke all in one hit.

He was gone in seconds. He went to "the waiting room" while he heard voices asking him "are you ready?" and then burst into hyperspace for about 10-15 minutes. He used to take a lot of acid when he was younger and tends to stay away from psychedelics these days (except for ketamine and the occasional VERY light changa session).

My sensitivity to psychedelics is average really.

I'm beginning to suspect I have an unusually high amount of MAO enzymes in my body. That would explain the ayahuasca problem, as well as why I always come up so fast on mushrooms (fast conversion of psilocybin to psilocin; 15 minutes in most cases).

OK, so from what I understand, a lower MOA enzyme level will increase the effect of entheogens and neuro-stimulants dramatically, and therefore the reason for MOA inhibitors?
I did a quick search ~ foods to stimulate MOA enzymes ~ figured avoidance of such could be a route...

... I understand a lot more now!

Here are the links I found interesting regarding diet:
* http://www.restoreunity....heese_can_be_danger.htm
* http://www.pointofreturn.com/antidepressants.html

And this one helped me understand MAOs a lot better (Though I had to read between the lines a bit as Im no scientist!):
* http://www.acnp.org/g4/gn401000046/ch046.html

Hope this is useful. And, please dont take my word for anything,
"Im only pointing at the fire, its down to you if you decide put your hand in it!"