Hey All,

I have been lurking around these boards for a month now and reading up and absorbing as much as I can about this mystical substance. I finally managed to acquire it and am excited to give this a shot. But I need some guidance.

To preface, I have never done ANY substance besides Alcohol. So all this is extremely new to me, I don't even smoke.

I have generally had the stereotypical view of drugs, the knee jerk "this is wrong" and "this is extremely harmful" reaction. But I have an open mind, the article that really made me rethink and opened my eyes was a Hacker News posting discussing this article: http://www.samharris.org...and-the-meaning-of-life

I immediately got and read DMT: The Spirit Molecule and started consuming anything I could get my hands on: articles, forums, research papers etc. to find out more - the health implications, the effects, experiences, etc.

The reason I want to enter this realm is because I know the mind is capable of doings things that we can't even fully understand and I am an explorer. I am not doing this to escape reality, or to improve life, or get a spiritual guidance etc. I just want to experience the power of the mind and this molecule and quench my intellectual curiosity, anything else that results from it is just gravy.

Anyway so I have read most I could about the techniques of using this and the GVG seemed like one of the more recommended options, although I knew it will be a challenge since I have never really had any experience with smoking, vaporizing, inhaling, heating, temperature control, using a lighter etc.

Here is where I need your experienced explorers wisdom, I tried yesterday for the first time but didn't even feel any effect. This is what I did:

Made a small disc out of the Choreboy, between 1/4 to 1/2', fitted it into the chamber, added 10mg of the molecule to the middle of it. I took a torch lighter, and aimed it at the middle for like a second. There was a little smoke and I saw it melting and become a little wet, like into a liquified form. I let it stand for like 25 seconds, added the top piece and started aiming the lighter to the middle and going up and down few times and immediately start inhaling. I would get some smoke, but I held it only for 5 seconds or so. I tried this like 4 times, but 0 effects. I know my technique needs a lot more work, but is there anything here that stands out as grossly incorrect? Why was I not able to feel even the minutest effects?

Any sort of information would help, I am a TOTAL beginner, so it would help to explain like I am five! After trying it a couple of times, my throat started hurting a bit, and it was late at night, so I just called it a night and went to sleep.

One thing I didn't follow was cleaning the Choreboy with Acetone, I got a nail polish remover from the market, but in addition to Acetone it contains like 6 other chemicals like glycerin, etc. and I didn't know if I should soak it in that or not so I used the Choreboy without cleaning it.

Thanks for reading if you made it so far, any input would be greatly appreciated.

I'd suggest not using the choreboy but using this instead, or the volcano liquid pad.

Also, why would you only hold the smoke for 5 seconds? You should hold it for as long as possible, maybe 20 seconds or more. You could even exhale a bit and inhale some fresh air so as to keep most of the vapor still in your lungs for even longer.

Also try 15mg maybe next time... Maybe it won't be a breakthrough but you should feel something at least.

You need to get as much in your lungs as humanly possible and hold it in for as long as you can, and take another hit as soon as you exhale, if the first one didn't get you where you want.

Thanks for your reply endlessness.

Regarding the ceramic disc, seems like the LSV disc is not available for purchase on their website right now.

Would any similar ceramic disc work? Say something like:
http://higherelevations....eramic-flavor-disc.html
http://silversurfervap.c...eramic-flavor-disc.html

Let me know and I will purchase these instead.

Yea I am working on that, the smoke is really foreign to my lungs so it's hard for me to hold it me longer, but as I keep doing it I should be able to hold it in longer.

Right, I will increase the dosage a bit and try it out. The thing is, I didn't even feel the slightest of effects, I could have been inhaling water vapor and it would have been the same, that's why I didn't know if there was some obvious error I was making.

Thanks for your help!

BTW if the linked one can be used, would you happen to know which style?
http://silversurfervap.c...eramic-flavor-disc.html

They seem to offer one for Ground Glass and another for Spherical Ground glass...

You sure it's vaping and not smoking? correctly vaped DMT is a strange taste, but shouldn't be hard to hold in.

If you want to clean the chore boy get some pliers and a blowtorch/turbo lighter/gas hob and heat it until its red hot and smoking(this smoke is any coating on it)do that twice until it gives off no more smoke and it should be fairly clean.
SWIMS friend had difficulty inhaling enough smoke in a quick enough time and holding it.
This seems to be the key to SWIM.As Endlessness says you must inhale enough vapor, and it must be done in a fairly small time frame .Being a heavy cannabis smoker helped SWIM so practice and experimentation is all he can recommend.Or get a trusted friend who has smoking experience to light it for you.
Also try holding the lighter so the flame points across the bowl you do not want it to touch the spice and burn it(this destroys the DMT on a molecular level i have been told), you should heat it sucking the heat into the bowel. You want to get the spice bubbling and giving vapor and then remove and apply the heat to keep the boil going.(i do not like to use pipes as i have trouble with them i use my homemade straight pull water bong, a "shotty bottle"

Do not feel disheartened SWIMS friend smoked a total of 0.25g of spice before he had even mild effect. He finally got there when SWIM sat him down and told him to expect nothing and to not force it.
Keep Trying man and let us know what happens.

Well to be honest, I am not sure about the difference between smoke and vapor. I mean I know what they are, but how do I tell one from the other? I did taste something different, I will work on holding it in longer.

The part that I wasn't sure about was that since I couldn't clean the ChoreBoy, when I would put the spice on it and heat it for a second or 2, there would be smoke coming out, is that normal? But I could not see anything burnt or dark on it. So I wasn't sure if the thing that I was inhaling was either the Choreboy or the vaporized spice.

Higgins - Wouldn't holding the lighter to the Choreboy directly for a long time oxidize it? Is that safe? Also since I am using a GVG which has a ceramic filter (?) type thing at the top, it doesn't seem like I could really burn the DMT since it does a good job of regulating the heat. I have read that some people hold it until the ceramic thing gets red hot, but mine doesn't change color even when I hold the flame to it for like 10 to 15 seconds.

Thanks for all your insights, I will be experimenting with it in the weekend, I hope I will finally be able to feel something!

I cant comment on the oxidization although you would be oxidizing anything there when you vape any way. In my regeon people use wire wool which is steel. And this is the method I was shown to clean that but I cant promise it will remove all nastys. If you heat untill it wont smoke hopefully you will get most of it off.
To me the vapour isnt as thick and white as smoke .vapour is smoother it feels less harsh on your lungs and throat. It sounds like you might be on the right path, If you vape their shouldnt be any burn marks or much residue so you might just need to take a bigger longer hit
Its hard to explain if you youtube someone using a vapourizer with some weed that will give you an idea of what it looks like.
Ide go out and get another turbo lighter and see if you can get a beter flame. And buy a can of gas as my turbo lighter will onley do 2 hits properly before its losses its heat.
I think the main thing is hold as much in for as long as you can. Dont worry about exhaling, I find as I blast off my body begins to regulate itself and will breate out.
Good luck
Safe traveling