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I have made two ayahuasca journeys. The first one was all greens and mainly contained plants. The second one was darker with mostly reds and blacks and contained insectoid/alien sea creatures. They were both fascinating and interesting journeys but I don't feel they had any deeper meaning to them. The first journey felt very powerful at the time it happened but I think it was because it was my first psychedelic experience and I was projecting emotions and meaning to the visions that possibly weren't really there.
I'm wondering if there is a way to guide the journey to center around a specific issue for healing purposes? Right now, I meditate on my intentions going in but once the visions begin I just go with the flow and accept whatever happens, not trying to control it in any way.
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My take is, if these are your first journeys that these visions are merely sneak-peaks into the world of ayahuasca. Perhaps there is less healing to be done with you than you would expect for yourself. You could try asking for healing once you are traveling. Not saying control. But calling the spirits to guide you. But i am not an experienced visionary in any way whatsoever 
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 hey ya, make sure to call a right spirit to guides you along, just be patience and if you seek for healing, it will show you. Good luck  Dream Is My Second LIFE
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Infectedstyle wrote: Perhaps there is less healing to be done with you than you would expect for yourself. Possibly, but I don't think so - I am a deeply flawed human being. By the way, your red and black insectoid avatar reminds me of what I saw on my second journey, funny coincidence. Infectedstyle wrote:You could try asking for healing once you are traveling. Not saying control. But calling the spirits to guide you. olyd88 wrote:make sure to call a right spirit to guides you along, just be patience and if you seek for healing, it will show you. I'll try this on my next journey and see what happens, thanks to both of you.
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My understanding is that curanderos sing icaros to guide the journey in a traditional setting. This leads me to speculate that there might be other ways that also work.
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Creo wrote:My understanding is that curanderos sing icaros to guide the journey in a traditional setting. This leads me to speculate that there might be other ways that also work. Seems like a warranted speculation to me. I Wish i had more to add  Edit: Then again, set and setting make a world of a difference, so that is relevant to a way of guiding a journey “The swans go on the path of the sun, they go through the ether by means of their miraculous power; the wise are led out of this world, when they have conquered Mara (desire) and his train" Dhammapada
"But is it probable," asked Pascal, "that probability gives assurance? Nothing gives certainty but truth; nothing gives rest but for the sincere search for truth"
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Creo wrote: By the way, your red and black insectoid avatar reminds me of what I saw on my second journey, funny coincidence. Cool! For me it is the vigorous eyes that remind me of a creature thingy i met one insane night on mushies. I just smoalked some DMT and i thought of ur post during my experience. I realized my advice is kind of useless so ill try again, I intend to visit santo daime in two weeks where they will sing specific songs intended for healing purpose. I do not expect much of it but something tells me i will be suprised by the power of sound vibrations during my stay. So.. there might be something to Icaros and songs for healing but i don't have anything meaningful to say about that really. Seeking out a shaman or someone who knows his stuff is not a bad idea. Another thing you could try when your alone is calling in spirits BEFORE you journey. The thing with me is.. I get talked to by entities/voices all the time during my experiences. I can't imagine a DMT journey without them really. I realize this isn't the case for everyone. A little elf came flying at me during my one and only ayahuasca journey in santo daime. She asked me about my issues and flew away mid-sentence. I suspect the elf realized i was full of shit and was off to help one of the other attendees during that session. Perhaps this loving energy could be helpful for you if need be. It was a charm to have happen to me. The elf really had a spatial quality to her, as if she was in the room with me and not just in my head. I guess this is all i have to say. Not much but here it is. I hope you find what you are looking for and i wish you best of luck in your further journeys.
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Creo wrote:My understanding is that curanderos sing icaros to guide the journey in a traditional setting. This leads me to speculate that there might be other ways that also work. Sound, attention/focus, breathing and light all seem to have a direct effect on hyperspace. There's no straight and fast answers to what you must do to be healed. Sometimes the healing process can come about in the strangest manners. "Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind" - Albert Einstein
"The Mighty One appears, the horizon shines. Atum appears on the smell of his censing, the Sunshine- god has risen in the sky, the Mansion of the pyramidion is in joy and all its inmates are assembled, a voice calls out within the shrine, shouting reverberates around the Netherworld." - Egyptian Book of the Dead
"Man fears time, but time fears the Pyramids" - 9th century Arab proverb
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Infectedstyle wrote: The elf really had a spatial quality to her, as if she was in the room with me and not just in my head.
I've mentioned this several times around here. That's amazing that you perceived it the same. Global wrote:The elf I encounter appears to be different in a number of ways from the majority of other entities I encounter. For one, practically every other entity I've encountered (I think without exception) is made of the same light and energy that all the rest of hyperspace including all its landscapes and objects are made of. When touched, they feel like concentrations of magnetic energy. The elf on the other hand does not present itself to me in a similar fashion. For one, he appears rather solid and physical. If he jumps on my body, he feels very much real and physical, and not so magnetic.
Sometimes he doesn't even seem to be sharing the same space as the rest of hyperspace as if he somehow has some kind of unique "outsider" perspective. It's hard to describe, but he just doesn't seem to fall on the same plane(s) as everything else sometimes.
Then there's also the exception of the way he speaks to me. Unlike most other entities (with the exception of the Godhead), this entity uses sound to communicate as opposed to the more regular telepathic communication from the others. Often times the telepathic communication will be in languages I can't understand, or if it is in English, it's just gibberish; all the words are in English, it's just that when you put them together like that it doesn't make any sense. The elf however sounds like he's talking like a physical entity. If he's off to the left of me, I can hear and feel the sound coming in my left ear more than the right. He speaks in perfect English with good grammar, and with sentences that not only make sense, but in my last encounter, he was fully narrating what was going on in my rapid vision in real-time, which I continue to find intriguing considering that I had no clue what was going on, but he was doing a damn good job of letting me know. "Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind" - Albert Einstein
"The Mighty One appears, the horizon shines. Atum appears on the smell of his censing, the Sunshine- god has risen in the sky, the Mansion of the pyramidion is in joy and all its inmates are assembled, a voice calls out within the shrine, shouting reverberates around the Netherworld." - Egyptian Book of the Dead
"Man fears time, but time fears the Pyramids" - 9th century Arab proverb
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I love you Global, you are so nice
I read your quote twice and thought about my brief meeting with the elf for some time. And i concur, the elf spoke in words rather than telepathic understanding. It was a female for me and she seemed to be flying from across the room to sit on my right shoulder. And if my memory serves me right when she spoke to me i heared it coming in from my right ear as well.
I'd just like to add that she was simply there. Still perceived from being in my imagination but it didn't matter if i closed my eyes or opened my eyes. I could still see and feel her sitting on my right shoulder.
I have to talk to you about my encounter with an alien "insect" some time. Which shared the same characteristics. Except it didn't talk. (As you would expect from an insect really) I mean it didn't matter whether my eyes where open or closed the fricking thing was just THERE. Just like the elf was. One insane night on mushies indeed. Took me a full month before i even remembered what actually occured. So glad i actually wrote it down!!
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Infectedstyle wrote:...Another thing you could try when your alone is calling in spirits BEFORE you journey... This is why people make prayer ties (little colored bags containing tobacco on a string) and hang it in the sweat lodge, so you have that work done in advance, and leaves more space to dodge the sweat experience on it's own. The aim is to put prayer, or intend if you prefer that word, into the tobacco in the bag. Have as much bags/intents as you want. One can still pray in the lodge if feeling called for, but having the ties hung up in advance makes it less of a stress to force yourself into "intents" for making the ceremony oriented/effective. This led me to the idea of using prayer ties in ceremonies like aya. Having more flexibility during experience while knowing your intentions are set out in the bags. I would put one prayer/intention of protection of the space in one bag for sure, another one for addressing transformation/healing, one for calling of the guides/ancestors, one for blocking malevolent energies, one to activate the string, another one for healing earth, another one with love for all cold heated people, etc etc, they would be physically present throughout without persistent need for bothering during the travel. No need to wear them, just place them near. Optional one can burn them afterwards to send them 'up'.  Instead of bags, one could put all of intentions in a fume of sage too, or the flame of a candle and let that 'run' through the ceremony, just whatever suits. But the bags have this physical touch of accentuating each and every intent bold and nicely. They're cute and paint the event.
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Infectedstyle wrote:Another thing you could try when your alone is calling in spirits BEFORE you journey. I'll do this on my next journey, hopefully it will help. Infectedstyle wrote:I guess this is all i have to say. Not much but here it is. I hope you find what you are looking for and i wish you best of luck in your further journeys. Your two suggestions are plenty enough my friend, thankyou. Global wrote:Sometimes the healing process can come about in the strangest manners. I hope so - but I don't think there's any harm in giving it a nudge here and there. Jees wrote:This led me to the idea of using prayer ties in ceremonies like aya. I love this idea One could also make a ritual of meditating on the intention for the journey while creating the prayer ties, it's like creating a physical manifestation of your intention. Psychologically this could be very powerful on a subconscious level.
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forest trance .......... illusions !, there are no illusions
there is only that which is the truth
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Creo, it's my understanding that it takes some time to understand the meaning behind the trips. It took me 5 years to understand my first mushroom trip, and several months to understand my first 2 DMT trips. Meditate on what you experienced, and entertain all possible causes/explanations. Healing and self improvement is difficult my friend. If it wasn't, then it would be less valuable and less of a learning experience. When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. When I let go of what I have, I receive what I need. – Tao Te Ching
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Creo I think what you stated in your OP is the right thing to do. Just keep the intention focused and healing will come, or at least it did ime. Healing is a process though you have to carry out the healing work all the time, exercise, eat better etc.
As for emotional healing if their is any particular trauma I focus on it as I drink and ask myself what bothers me about this traumatic experience and I ask the ayahuasca how to let it go/forgive it, or turn it into something positive. Often as I purge I get the answer which has been for me simple acceptance of things, recognizing everything to be apart of my evolution.
Once in the experience I just let it flow, sometimes I move in strange ways, or speak in tongues, or sing, really whatever I am compelled to. I just try to work with the energy and focus it where it wants to be. A lot of it is cooperative, but there has been aspects of just knowing when to surrender as well.
I also like to work with crystals I find them to have healing energies that can activate the chakras.
All in all it seems like your a genuine seeker so I believe if you just keep working with the medicine you will get what you need.
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MorningWoods wrote:Meditate on what you experienced, and entertain all possible causes/explanations. I will - maybe I've been too quick in dismissing the visions as meaningless. adam wrote:I believe if you just keep working with the medicine you will get what you need. I'm slowly working my way up to higher doses. The purging was intense during my last journey, which is something I've not experienced before. A giant boa constrictor was wrapped around my body and I purged each time it squeezed - so maybe there's hope for me yet!
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