what are some peoples experiences with smoking pieces of the cactus?

i've noticed you have to smoke quite a few bowls and the smoke tastes and feels somewhat like your smoking cardboard and wood put together, but aside from that the high seems a little improved and a little more visual and little more head less body, which is fine since to me mescaline is very body anyway


does anyone agree with any of this? go ahead and post your opinion


i know it's traditional for some arizona indians to smoke cactus in a ritual, do they have a different technique? or is that smoking peyote will always be a lot more feasable compared to smoking something a lot weaker such as san pedro?

I could see smoking Lophophora (smoking Ariocarpus, DOES work) and maybe some really potent Trichocereus bridgesii might work...

really? is bridgessi stronger than peruvian torch?


ahhhh... they lowered my ranking, I wonder why.........

maybe it's automatically given by the number of posts you make each month or something.......

Who cares!

Bridgesii is COMMONLY stronger than Trichocereus peruvianus because most of the Trichocereus peruvianus out there are of really shitty genetics... So if you are able to find a good Trichocereus peruvianus than it may very well be more powerful than the "Achuma" standard clone of Trichocereus bridgesii.

Each species has many strains, example, Trichocereus bridgesii has cultivators called "Eleen" and one called "Lumberjack" I think...

anyone else here ever try smoking/vaporising cactus or mescaline?? I smoked some dreid torch the other night in my bong, just one small hit really, with mild effects. Sort of tingly and bright and energetic for 15 mins or so, but some random elf have an extraction on the way that will be tested in a dream sometime soon..I found a thread a few days ago at the shroomery I think, where the poster stated that they had smoked pure mescaline salts before, and it produced hyperspace, especially afte already ingesting mescaline..

http://forums.mycotopia....caline-hcl-crystals.html

follow the thread down to the part where they talk about smoking the mescaline...

heres another one from edot, quantumbrujo reports success smoking mescaline, and says its is very nice..I posted back curious for more info, but I think the thread has been abandoned..

http://www.entheogen.com...m/showthread.php?t=15552

69ron posted that mescaline hcl was POSSIBLE to get effects when smoked...im pretty sure he heard this from other forums..and not from person experience of his SWIM

Ya I don't know.... It doesn't seem to be a very good method of ingestion for cactus.

no it doesnt at all...SWIM introduced his brother tonight to some pedro extract that he made...this was the first time his brother has had any experience with any sort of mescaline...and as he put it "fuck ecstasy!!" there is a lot of nasty ass E pills going around lately..and his brother was never into it...but somehow SWIM convinced him to try his extract..and his brother is wowed by the cactus..

the cactus allows you to see the positive sides of your life even if they have been hidden from yourself(by yourself) for a long time...SWIMS brother is an alcoholic..like SWIM..and mescaline has been able to pull him away from the depressed..lets get drunk..sort of mentality

Good. Thats what I like to hear!

hmmmmm yea id much rather eat it

Yeah, SWIM has no experience smoking mescaline. He read that mescaline sulfate could not be smoked but that mescaline HCl could. He also read that the effects and dosage are pretty much the same as the oral route, so there's no real advantage to it other than the faster onset. Again, all read from other people on other forums making such claims, so I don’t know how accurate any of that information is. Being that they state the dosage is the same as oral dosage smoking it is quite a turn off for SWIM. Why bother smoking something that you can take orally when oral use is so much healthier.

I don’t recall if they said the body load was less or not. If would be better to smoke the freebase. The freebase should be more psychedelic and have much less body load. The freebase is apparently an oily substance, so you’ll need to mix it with a carrier that doesn’t burn like calcium carbonate so that it’s easier to measure the doses.

i wasnt planning on smoking all my cacti or anything like that! I love oral mescaline.. recently I came across a few ounces of dried torch, and a nice 18 inch cutting now takin up residence in my grow room and have been doing lots of research on mescaline..was mostly interested in the prospect of smoking durring the peak of a milder oral dose.. I havent eaten cacti in about 2 year, but I do remember thinking that it completely blew MDMA out of the water, so warm, and gentle and tingly, psychedelci introspection but I never got that mindfuck that aya or mushrooms can bring on... anyway i will probabily try in a few days, planned for aya tommorow soo..

69 ron..has someone who is not you ever used mescaline sublingually?? This elf has a testable ammount of peruvin torch resin, extracted with isopropyl and water, and evaporated. It wieghs almost exactly 1/10th the ammount of the whole cactus, so basically 10x extract. He was planning on using 1-2 grams of this extract sublingually to test the potentcy, as he isnt expecting any more than 200mg of mescaline extracted from 20g dry torch. He will than work his way up from that dosage..

edit..reason he wants to use sublingually is he has IBS so certain psychedelics really bother his stomche, like mushrooms. Surprisingly aya doesnt seem to exasperate the problem at all, neither does salvia juice from quidding. Pedro made him queezy but didnt really hurt the stomache..mainly a mushroom thing I guess. He would just swallow the extract though if its more efficient..

how bout smoking the non mesc alkys found in cactus - the evap stuff from the mesc wash - with acetone. perhaps those are better smoked.

fractal enchantment, SWIM has not tried using mescaline just sublingually, he always swallows it afterwards. But it does seem like it comes on faster if you do it that way. But it may just have something to do with the saliva aiding oral digestion. SWIM will have to test to see if just holding it under the tongue and then spitting it out works. He'll have to let all the accumulating saliva drip out of his mouth and not let any go down his throat to be sure the test is a true sublingual test. Hold it for about 10 minutes like that and spit it out and wash his mouth out.

Phlux-, SWIM's non-mescaline alkaloids from San Pedro are mixed with calcium carbonate, because they are sticky. The calcium carbonate helps keep it in a dry form. It would actually be quite smokeable that way. SWIM has not tried smoking them though. It never occurred to him to even try it. However, they are quite active sublingually. If you place them under the tongue, your tongue goes numb really fast. You can feel the alkaloids penetrating the skin in the mouth. The psychedelic effects you get from the non-mescaline San Pedro alkaloids are very interesting, and totally unlike mescaline.

swim will sample some soon both ways.
if a multi alkaloid extraction has been performed on some torch with xylene(d-limonene arriving tomorrow) and is sitting as a nice white powder now - if swim washed with dry acetone to leave mesc hcl behind and pick up the others - then evapped the acetone - how could swim make sure there is no more residual xylene present in the mixed non mesc pile ? (everyone seems to worry about that)

That's one reason why SWIM uses d-limonene instead of xylene. You can eat 1000 mg of d-limonene daily and it's healthy for you at that dose, so it's not an issue if there are traces of d-limonene in the product. But with xylene, that's a different story. You'll need to wash the product with something that the xylene is soluble in but the alkaloids aren't. Otherwise they will have xylene in them, and there's little you can do to get them out. SWIM had a bunch of bufotenine he purified in xylene and could NEVER get all the xylene out by evaporation in a food dehydrator, an oven, several weeks in the open air, etc., no mater what he did, there was still traces of xylene in it. The only thing that got the xylene out was washing with another solvent that the xylene was soluble in which bufotenine wasn't soluble in. You'll have the same problem with cactus alkaloids.

i guess this raises the obvious question of which solvent to use - ideas ?

I read smoking doesn't last as long so could be a benefit if you don't want to have to be prepared for going all day.