Regret is a necessary and important emotion (is it an emotion lol) the thing is recognizing the things you did wrong or the things you didn't do and having regret but then moving on. You can't and shouldn't be stuck in a regret quagmire as that will only drag you down.

To the OP does heaven exist? It depends on what you define heaven as. If you mean the classic definition like worshipping at the feet of jesus and his disciples for eternity then no i don't think it exists (thank frek) but if you define heaven as being an eternal soul traversing the realms of hyperspace for eternity then yes i think it's very possible that heaven exists

Well said Olympus Moon

Regret is essentially an indication of having not forgiven the 'self' in it's entirety.

Like that saying; "Holding on to anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; you are the one getting burned "

The same could be said for regret in reverse. The regret does not fix the situation that caused it and it only serves to weigh us down.

Every choice we make is beneficial in the long run, because even the regrettable choices provide a lesson.

"Your pain is the breaking of the shell that encloses your understanding."

I read this about life and regret today, and as someone who has regrets as I'm sure we all do, it struck a cord, I like this.

"It’s important to remember that whatever stage we are at in life, there is no need for regret. The process of regret is one that provides nothing but suffering for ourselves as we begin to allow the past to dictate how we should feel now. Instead, we can use the past as a reference point to understand what adjustments we would like to make moving forward. The adjustments do not have to come out of pain, sorrow, regret or judgment, but simply a choice to do things in a different way. We are learning all the time, we can very quickly slow that learning process down by getting stuck in the idea of regret. When it comes to making changes, be at peace with the past and remember that each moment is a new choice."

From:

http://myscienceacademy....-5-regrets-of-the-dying/

Funny, I remember responding to this thread a few weeks back. But now that I really think about it, it was within a highly lucid dream and I vaguely recall not finding the right words or something like that. And I truly appreciate all of the fine ideas presented within this intriguing thread. Such intelligent insights!

Anyway, I firmly believe that Heaven exists, as does Purgatory and Hell. I see these as bands of conscious-awareness (or strings, if you will). Our perceptual capacity includes ascending to Heavenly planes of Being, as well as sinking into the depths of Hell states. Not just psychically but materially, as well. Any sensitive person would have to agree that Heaven and Hell can be found amongst humanity's collective experience. Unlike within the "animal kingdom" (of which we are an intricate part), the human species rationally observes these dichotomies. We subjectify our passing flow of experiences and question their reality. Entheogens simply amp this innate human process.

But if the OP meant is there a Heavenly plane above all others, the seat of Supreme Gnosis... this is another thing, altogether. Such a "Heaven" would be Omniscient, objective and beyond the grasp of us mortal folks. Or is it? It may just be that such an inter-phase is our natural and destined, next step in expanding our Atmic awareness. Many of us have shifted our attention upon such realms and touched something so far beyond words it behooves us to silence our minds and reflect it's effulgence.

So, all semantics aside, there surely exists a plane of being which is Heavenly. The ancient Zoroastrians described this level as Paradise. I has been called Anaami by the Sikhs. and while quite a universal concept, it is shaped uniquely to the culture which envisions it's reality.

I personally believe that deep within the Inner Light, exists a portal to such a dimension of existential being. A vortex of emptiness, like a "black hole" within the blinding effulgence, if you will? It is in a sense, a passage way of sorts and our souls are able to partake of an immersion within it's insubstanciality. These peak eclipsings are sheer Nirvana to immerse oneself within, as many of you good people have experienced many times.

I liken Heaven to The White Void. The Tibetans made reference to this axiom The Clear Light of the Void. We are all potentially able to shift our awareness enough to traverse deeper into his vortex and in so doing, transcend our separation from this Heavenly Field. Yeah, I see Heaven as the Unified Field of Being. And while human words are just symbolic gestures to crystallize something quite ineffable and insubstantial... they are certain aspects we can discuss reasonably, hypothetically and even religiously.

That being said, I do not feel that Heaven is something sequential or that our existence is on a linear, ascending track, a "Stairway to Heaven" into higher and higher realms (leaving the material self behind forevermore). It may be on one level, sure but if such a higher plane is truly Heavenly, it would be immanent upon all planes, all levels and accessible from all frequencies of thought (if one but look beyond appearances and circumstances).

I honestly think this is one of the greatest illusions which we dream, that we are somehow separate from the Heavenly frequency of conscious-awareness. I also believe that Heaven is the true nature of all things, albeit temporarily hidden from our temporal view, nestled centrally within the core of reality, beneath all of it's seeming appearances.

I kind of agree but feel guilt is the emotion that hopefully triggers us into either rectifying the situation by taking ownership of your roll and then moving on. Maybe this is just symantics but regret to me is more of a state a person lives in. For example.

You feel guilt at doing or not doing something but if you do not process this emotion and work through it, how ever that may be, either apologizing, taking ownership, or possibly as in many cases forgiving yourself if you are truly sorry, then the guilt becomes living in a state of regret. hats just how I see it anyways.

I like what Risingspirit contributed as well. As we have gone round and round before, I also don't believe in an ethereal material place such as dogmatic heaven, seated next to the father, aka God. But higher planes of consciousness could be what some refer to as heaven and I fully agree we do not need to die, or blast off to enter this dimension.

If enlightenment is a real state possible to enter I would agree heaven is a state of being not a destination.

I have no idea if heaven exists or not, but maybe this will help.

I don't want there to be a heaven and if there is I will personally make it my goal to destroy it. Not returning all of your energy which makes up your body and therefore consciousness to the universe would stagnate the energetic flow of life itself. I think you have to give it ALL back and spread back into the cosmos from whence you came. Literally. Your matter and energy is only shaped like 'you' for the time being, one day it will not, as once it was not.

Enjoy yourself now.

Play or make music.
Make love to someone.
Smoke DMT.
Climb a mountain.
Sleep after absolutely exhausting yourself.
Lay under the sun.
Do absolutely nothing sometimes and love it.


Do this in the knowlege that you are NOT going to end. Everything that makes up what you are is infinite. You are going to return to the stars. This life is but an instant, not even the blink of an eye, which our 'selves' have the luxury of experiencing only once.

*EDIT* Don't want to sound too conclusive here... of course the topic is completely debatable, I guess I just have a really firm idea personally.

I feel this statement is kind of a little close minded really in the sense that you are talking so definitively about how the universe should operate and how we should dissolve after death, and its impossible to really know until it happens.. we might not retain our egotistical sense of separation after we pass but who really knows.. there may be some part of us that continues the journey.. perhaps what is commonly referred to as the soul.

I don't doubt that we are all one and of the same source, but maybe the expression of the universe that is "me" or "you" has more work to do and more to learn in order for the universe to grow and expand? I can't help but get the feeling my soul has had experiences before this and may very well likely have more experiences after this. And if such a realm as heaven did exist it would likely be much more complex than the concept leads us to believe.. I'm sure you wouldnt want to destroy such a state if you understood it... especially such a state/realm that if it did in fact exist would probably do so through love. we really don't know how all this stuff works though and the universe is VERY complex and endless in possibilities imo... the number of realms out there could be infinite really and i wouldn't put it past the universe to have one of pure and eternal love.. but hey.. i really don't know..

Since You posted this after I had edited my post, I don't know how you missed this:





The thing about killing heaven to support my own idea was a joke, I'm being flippant man. Like I said I don't KNOW and it is open to debate. The points I have put across based on energy are purely science based. This universe as we know it seems to wrap it all up pretty neatly for me, that's all I'm saying.

I thought some of my DMT journeys defenitely took me through what I can only liken to "heavens".
Several Layers of Heavens actually. But the "Heavens" I speak of do not per say refer to the
"place" of infinite bliss and only good, as it is refered to in the Bible.

What this particulair interpretation of "Heaven(s)" means is an immaterial realm/dimention where
the "enviroment" as well as it's entity inhabitants consist of pure energy, without any physical components to it.
It houses blissfull entities as well as wrathfull entities. Same as here on Earth, except different in being immaterial
& as such unbound by the laws of physics. Some may call this immaterial realm "Hyperspace" while others may call it "Ether". The name doesn't matter, and I understand there are several ways of getting there, taking psychedelics being 1 of them.


But on some occasions, during mushroom-, LSD- & DMT-Journeys, I have really entered "spaces" that indeed were very much alike the "Heaven" as described in the Bible. Full of absolutely blissfull, helpfull, loving and wise entities(angels), absolutely blissfull, healing, apeacing & extatic enviroments, endless temple-complexes with the most awe-inspiring golden, white, blue and green iridescent pillars, domes and walls.... So this biblical "Heaven" defenitely exists if you ask me. Sometimes playing guitar or piano can take me there too, allthough on a psychic/emotional level and not visually like DMT would.

My theory is that there is really 1 "heaven", but wether this heaven is a horrific realm or a blissfull realm depends on the current psychological/emotional state and the character of whoever undertakes the entheogenic journey.
Like a room with mirrors: Go in with fear or anger & meet loads of dreadfull, angry entities.
Go in with love and meet lots of blissfull, helpfull angelic entities. So the energy we take into the heavens with us will determine the character of the Heavens that we will experience: Hellish, Heavenly or anywhere in between.

Hyperspace seems to be a Kaleidoscope room that shows you yourself from millions of different perspectives.

Hey sorry Orion I didn't see the little edit part at the bottom of your post ...and sorry i didn't pick up on your sarcasm.. I didn't think you meant it that literally but i guess I still picked up somewhat of a sentiment from it

I guess my main point is that heaven becomes harder to ponder as a concept - especially under the guise of "heaven".. but who really knows what realms exist outside of this one (and how and why they operate the way they do), especially while we can only ponder with a human mind that has a tendency to impose boundaries on the concepts it deals with.. I think it would be no less profound for such a state of consciousness/realm to exist than it would be for one like this realm to exist and I don't really see how it would bring disorder to the already chaotic nature of the universe.