Hello, has anyone done any research into the neuroscience of entity contact / presences? We all know what entheogen-induced entity contact is like, but often, I will find presences and beings in the space with me even when I'm totally sober.

Sleep paralysis is a very well known way this can occur, but there are other things, such as that 'you're being watched' feeling you get, or the sense that there is something following you right over your shoulder. (Incidentally, I'm getting that really bad right now). I suppose all of this is part of your imagination, but these perceived entities always seem so much 'realer' then things that I just imagine.

Ever since I was a child I got monsters in my room and under my bed, in addition to sleep paralysis, and I've always wondered what part of your brain is responsible for manufacturing these beings.

I always got the impression it was the other way around and that some of the beings may have manufactured our brains.
of course I doubt that theory sounds very nueroscience-like but it's all I got for now.

They say the left temporoparietal junction is responsible for this type of phenomena.
But really? We really think we understand this? Or anything at all?
What a joke. I almost died laughing. I am going to have to wash my shorts because they're now soaked in B vitamin reeking piss.

This whole ape world thinks it actually exists. That alone says everything.
Gosh, it all seems so real, doesn't it?
With our families and our emotions and our dreams and our feelings.
Wars. Politics. Science. Love.
Humans tend to think their beautiful disgusting wet electric meat tubes are the engines of awareness and the phenomena of consciousness itself.
What if consciousness made this all up and there is no perception but only creation and reality doesn't even exist except to us?
What would that say about us? Our pets? Mantis? Plankton? One celled organisms?
Or hyperspatial "entities?"

The only thing that divides us are ourselves.

You could come up with all kinds of ideas and answers and it would never be true because you made it all up. But it's all that you have so it must be true, right? Nah. Not if you ask me. Sure there are some hints in the cracks of this particular sim but that's about all you're going to get. Just enough to see that this is one big set-up and nothing more. There is nothing more funny than paradox. Except cats.

Someone takes a step back and slips the glass slide that they are under the microscopic light and sees a neon pastel stained glass prism that morphs into anything and everything. Someone begins to ponder reason while gawking at its mesmerizing potential that seems to replenish something hollow that was growing like a knot on the inside. Time for a cigarette wrapped in a Dollar.

The squiggly little brain parts neuroscientists fondle themselves over are like labyrinths for the channel of our mysteriously menacing light to flow through and make up this story we think is so important and real. Like levers or buttons altering the tone of the organ as the maniac wails away into the night. There's something behind the scenes blowing in the wind of time. Timeless. Forever. And never.

All of a sudden those who were awake in the dream began to think they were discovering something and held each others hands.
Only to fail to realize they were just remembering a long lost delusion encompassing everything that they are.
Looks like we're right on time to watch the grand finale that never began and never will end.

You will go to sleep and never wake up.
Everything that you did here will be used for next round.
Something is collecting.

Who I used to be insufflated dimethyltryptamine and signed a contract in hypergrace signing over my body to be used as a vacation rental in exchange for a way out. That was years ago.
Now they occupy me not just for their experimental research purposes,
but for entertainment and sex as well.

They don't have that where they're from.
It's warm here in the sunshine.

^

Someone should pay you ridiculous amounts of money to be a professional writer.
You got talent sir.....Bravo!

Wow House....

That was a bad ass flow. Nothing to add to that but a kudos.





Consciousness FTW

I'm not going to even act like I know

Haha,

I took someone's advice and stopped looking into "entities" because it can throw a person into a loop.

I still wonder exactly like you do though.

What is interesting to me is I actually remember "aliens" coming to take me away when I was 2 years old. Many people
say it is not possible to remember that far back. But, for whatever reason I remember being in the crib and this alien tentacle thing came through the window, I FREAKED out and climbed up my crib and jumped down screaming my head off. I could not reach the handle but managed to keep jumping to try and unlock and it was locked from the outside. I screamed and screamed. The alien went away but I was freaked out forever by this.... "dream state".

I wonder what DMT production & distribution is like at the young ages?

Deepest thanks for sharing that with us ۩ You do have a way with words.

This is something that has plagued my mind since early childhood as well. I've only mentioned it to a few people in my life, and their reactions haven't been very positive.

I told my parents that angels used to visit me in my dreams and teach me things, that I could feel them when they were in the room with me (while awake), and that there were other "bad angels" that sometimes floated around the house too.

I spent that summer seeing a therapist several times a week.

I told the mother of my daughter about the sleep paralysis, the entity contact, the strange psychic phenomenon, and she never really accepted it. I only mentioned it twice in our more than ten year relationship, but she cited it as one of the reasons she chose to cheat on me so many times, and eventually push me away to the point where I was forced to leave.

Sadly, most people just label you as "crazy" when they don't, or won't, understand these sorts of things.

I've just come to accept it as a part of my daily life. These phenomenon seem to increase in regularity when I use psychedelics more. But I embrace it now, rather than fear it.

I think it's a lot more complicated than neuroscience or this part of your brain does this or that...

So my advice is to do your best to accept it, and go beyond the fear. Often that can make it more intense, but it is extremely rewarding in the end. At least it has been for me.

Best wishes

This is beautifully written, but I feel compelled to say that on some level, I disagree with this type of response. I understand that there are things that seem fantastical or unexplainable, and often those things are worthy of reverence and awe but...

Imagine what would have happened if Newton, upon starting his theory of gravitation was told: "it is unknowable, and you demean the universe to try to know it, and anyway, you'll be dead soon, so really who cares?"

Think about it. You could talk about all the technology we would loose, and all the toys we wouldn't have, but that is unimportant. Think about the frontiers of knowledge that would be unknown to us, think about how little we as a species would understand. The motions of the planets would remain a mystery, mathematics would be stunted without Newtons contributions (even with Leibnez's work), and the world would make less sense.

Is that a nightmare? Maybe not, but it is certainly emptier.

Maybe things like entity contact, the nature of consciousness or the fundamental laws of physics are unknowable, but we don't know that, and we cannot ever know for certain what we can and cannot know. Do you suggest we let the sciences grind to a halt? If you do, then we have a lot to talk about, because to me, awe and reverence of a phenomena are great, but nothing, NOTHING is more awe inspiring then the architecture of the universe revealing itself to us, through exploration.

The power and the glory that we experience when we smoke DMT is something that is available to us, as a species, now, even at our most sober and earth-bound. You can find it in the fractal arrangement of blood vessels, and the way that is mathematically mirrored in the branching of trees and the distribution of stars in the sky. You can see it in the fundamental theorems of calculus, and the uniform behavior of vector spaces across n-dimensions in linear algebra.

You can look at the brain, which to us now is a closed box and know that there is a pattern there, there is architecture, and maybe it is the architecture of our souls, but it is still, nonetheless, architecture.

I was once upon a time really into the unknowable, cynical, and solipsistic philosophies of nihilism, and to this day, I believe that, fundamentally, that is the only logically consistent philosophy, but I choose to renounce that, and live IN the world, take it apart and put it back together, learn about it, because looking at a beautiful painting is wonderful, but learning HOW to paint, is divine.

My 2 cents, in defense of science.

Lovely content in this thread

And what an excellent way of bringing across your point Nathanial.Dread. If i may say so. I could never have conjured up a post so tactful and articulate as you just did. Much kudos!

I am very curious to see what responses are generated from this and see what the Nexus can come up with.

Well said nathaniel,
You summed up perfectly my thoughts but didn't have the energy to write. Whats the point to not try to understand the natural world just because we cant prove it exists. We would still be living in caves rubbing sticks together for fire.

Solipsism is a dead end street although very true. If human kind can't agree to suspend proof and approach understanding that we do share the same reality then we go no where as a species.
Kind of a shameful waste of time.

I don't think this is a debate between solipsism and rational exploration... and those things are not even close to being mutually exclusive anyway.

This is a much more complicated and nuanced question. One that we have wrestled with endlessly on a number of good threads here.

I maintain, as I have done here over and over, that mysticism is not any less experimental than physics or any of the so-called "natural sciences." It may not be as clear proof oriented as mathematics, but that goes with the territory.

The fundamental question here is whether or not we should deal with hyperspace and its hyper intelligent entities as though it were an objectively "real" phenomenon. And, for the most part, even those who are very skeptical of entities and hyperspatial dimensional travel tend to realize that dealing with it as if it were true is useful and prudent even if it turns out to be not the case. This is because the experiences are real regardless, and, thus, have real effects on our psyche and emotional state... they are such profound experiences that we must integrate them and make peace with the world they show us... even if we are creating it somehow.

But the evidence that we are not simply making this stuff up in our subconscious minds is ponderous. The fact that people report learning things that they could never have known prior... coupled with the obvious fact to anyone who has gone a certain distance down the rabbit hole, that what is shown is well beyond anyone's ability to have imagined. The real kicker is that you can interact with these entities and see plainly that they are orders of magnitude more intelligent than we are.

For me it always comes down to that moment when they deem you worthy to prove themselves to you. When an entity tells you something you didn't know... and couldn't have know... and then you can go and verify this information yourself while sober. Well, it is a game changer. Until you have this experience, I fully understand and respect skepticism... but after a certain amount of proof you just feel like a stubborn child.

I suppose we all have to do these experiments ourselves. We can not read about others' experiences in some peer reviewed journal and accept it as true. This is the grand old fashioned kind of alchemic experimentation... the kind you do on yourself. We are the laboratory.

Hyperspace Fool: well said, I suppose I did instinctivly turn this into a heads-or-tails kind of a debate.

But what about entities we might meet while sober, or at least, not tripping. Again, there is a terrible monster that comes and visits me sometimes at night and hangs around my room. Schizophrenics have long reported being contacted by angels, demons and aliens during their time.

To me, at least, 'entities,' manufactured or not, are a phenomena that is not necessarily confined to the world of psychedelics, or even 'crazy' people. (I consider myself pretty sane and run into My Monster fairly often).

Exactly. Its the same thing as solipsism regarding entities. Since its impossible to know either one concretely the best coarse of action to approach these topics is to suspend what can't be known at this time and proceed.

Indeed this topic has been discussed many times because its an important question that burns deeply into the mind of the explorer. I lean towards the entities being actual because of the reasons you have sated clearly. I've been given information that could not have come from by conscious mind as well as went completely against my previous understanding.

DMT especially to me is the most sacred of sacreds for this exact reason. The experience I had yesterday with a daytime outdoor changa journey is a perfect example. I'm planning on writing a report today describing the events that occurred in what must be the top 3 most incredible dmt experiences out of hundreds and hundreds of journeys.

The term used to describe stranger than fiction holds true and sums up what we are discussing to a degree. You just cant make this stuff up.

Consciousness is alive. It is the definition and mechanism that illuminates all windows of life. You don't need drugs to see this. You are this. Unless, of course, you count the biosynthesis and metabolization of neurotransmitters and hormones to regulate what we know as reality as drugs. Then... well...

Us dirty apes are a mere fraction of the experiment. To think we are alone or that this eye sight is all that exists is not only a fallacy, but will lead to our inevitable downfall we are already riding like a wave rolling back out into the sea. Oh apathy- you were so profitable!

You can't blame meat juice for awareness, existence, or consciousness. It's the other way around. Let the paradigm die with our generation. Consciousness knows no space or time. It just is. These thingys, along with the great and godly Matter, are purely subjective if you ask me.

Here we are. Now create a reason. You will never ever know why you are here. You can only pretend. Go ahead and ask just to see what they, or it, says. I did. Let experience be unfiltered by our dumbed down dilution. Let go of the self and integrate into the all. It's going to happen whether you like it or not. Some of us just chose to get a head start. Where is it you think you came from? Some sex act? Ocean rain comes to mind here. Enjoy the dream while it lasts. Mmm pizza and beer!

It looks like entities because that's where it ALL comes from. Why do you think it never stops changing, is interactive, hyper-intelligent, and recalibrating? The funnel of self has been shattered and in pours the nectar that is everywhere and nowhere. A human being is nothing but a tangled mess of attempted partition.

I left out of the escape hatch long ago. Who do you really think wrote this, anyway?

Wasn't me.

How and why would blame be relevant to awareness, existence, or consciousness? As you are saying and I agree these 3 things just are.

I never understood human-kinds need to have a reason for being here. I don't feel there is one nor needs to be one. We self impose this strange idea that there must be a meaning to ones life. I don't feel this way but how many others take to the road, retreats, seek Guru's and spiritual teachers to find the unicorn. Why am I here?

I give up tell me, who is typing for you? Are you not you no matter what that may or may not be? Even if you are consciousness, an entity, part of the whole, that's still, what in this form and reality, you.

Word.

Entities within or without. Let's dance to the cosmic beat shall we?