good ol OO

yea.. a big one

So using harmala alkoloids sublingually won't work to potentiate the mescaline?

SWIM finally has everything he needs to do this extract. He has the cactus sitting in the d-limo bath right now. What a wonderful tech. SWIM says thanks 69ron. Your incredible, I mean it.

Thats what swim was thinking. Thanks for the help.

As I stated earlier in this thread SWIM tested and found that 1 size “0” gel cap can hold 400 mg of the dried vinegar alkaloid extract if tapped down tightly so it will easily hold 300 mg. I hope you know that 300 mg is a really strong dose for some people. 200 mg is generally a more “recreational” dose.

SWIM has been enjoying the 125mg dose lately...seeing as how hes just started playing with this material...his days of pushing the envelope right off that bat have passed so hes been sticking to lower doses at first...at 125mg its extremely nice without being too overwhelming to have a normal conversation with somebody at a party..granted a little happier..and a bit stimulated..but just right...SWIM is excited though to push the dose up to 200mg..and possibly after that take maybe 150mg san pedro extract and 150-200mg thh..SWIM doesnt want to waste these alkaloids if he can potentiate them...

SWIM was also wondering..if theobromine might make it kick in faster and stronger? 69ron do you think this would work at all?

today i took 125 mgs then 45 mins later i took an additional 100mgs starting to feel it strong

im at +2 hour 45mins however i just had to take 75 mgs demorol for my post-tonsilectomy pains... so ill see how that changes things will probably dull it alot

im brewing some strong black sumatra coffee .... just to keep me up of course

SWIM is going to dry his extract in a flat pyrex baking dish. Does he just throw it into the over at 200F? Does he need to leave the door open just a bit?

id say do it at like 140F with the door open 200 is probably to hot

although what i did was just sit the dish on my oil/electric radiator heater and left it on something like ~90-110 that took a day till mostly dry then just sitting room temp a few more days to full dry

but if in a rush i think oven with the door cracked at 140 maybe even some kinda fan blowing on the dish would do the trick

Wow, it's amazing to see a non-toxic extraction tek out there. 69ron is a genius!

But onto my noobish question;

Elsewhere I saw mention that the d-Limonene, as it apparantly contains citric acid, would convert the freebase mesc into HCl during the first step, before salting with vinegar, as a result one would be leaving a lot of salted mesc in thier calcium hydroxide solution.
Could this be true, or was the guy talking crap?

i dont think there is much..if any citric acid in d-limonene..and with this tek..the yields are soo much better than using any xylene tek..so i dont know how it could be messing with the process..citric acid is usually..from what i understand..is in the fruit..and they extract d-limonene using a steam distillation process..that strips the oils from the peels...and SWIM would think that any citric acid that may be in the peels would get stuck in the water...and d-limonene floats on water..so i THINK that dude wasnt quite informed..or was confusing it with something else

and citric acid would convert the mescaline freebase into mescaline citrate..HCL is hydrochloric acid..which is not citric acid

That's hilarious

Citric acid is not present in orange oil, especially steam distilled orange oil. It's not possible. Citric acid cannot be steam distilled. It's water soluble, not oil soluble, and can't be steam distilled. Even if there were traces, it would be so small as to have no impact at all.

Here's something to laugh about that I found on Google:



That's totally wrong. Orange oil is NOT citric acid!

Citric acid decomposes at 175 C. The boiling point of d-limonene is 176 C. So any d-limonene that is distilled cannot contain citric acid at all.

It is possible for non-distilled pressed d-limonene to have traces of citric acid (about 0.1%).

So at 0.1%, 1000 ml of non-distilled pressed d-limonene would have 1000 mg of citric acid. In this tech the amount of calcium hydroxide used is 25 grams. You'd need many times more than 1000 mg of citric acid to have any impact at all on the extraction.

To form calcium citrate (tribasic calcium citrate) you need three molecules of calcium for every two molecules of citric acid. Citric acid weighs 192.123 and calcium hydroxide weighs only 74.1. So 1000 mg of citric acid could only react with 578.5 mg of calcium hydroxide. So 1000 mg would only react with 2.3% of the calcium hydroxide used in this extraction tech. Therefore it would have absolutely no impact on the extraction.

SWIM has fallen in love with D-limonene. He is using it for the first time today. It is SOOOO much better than petro chemicals.

it sure is

Decomposes to what?

Would be curious to find out

Just found it:

In general, it has been considered that, in oils, citric acid
is dehydrated to aconitic acid at a temperature above
175 C. Aconitic acid is further decomposed to itaconic acid
and then to citraconic acid. However, it is possible that
mesaconic acid is produced by decarbonization of transaconitic
acid. And it is also possible that 3-ketoglutaric
acid is produced by simultaneous decarbonization and
dehydration of citric acid.

SWIM's local vendor seems to be out of San Pedro.
He's contemplating using Peruvian Torch for this tech.

How do Peruvians compare to San Pedro as far as mescaline content, and other active alkaloids?
Do you think one would be better than the other for this tek?