Procedure:

Beforehand I fasted for 12 hours. I dissolved 170mgs of harmalas from caapi and 40mgs of DMT in lime juice, and then added orange juice. I ate a bunch of ginger followed by about 5 drops of lemon oil in water. Next I drank the orange juice, and ate a piece of toasts. A bit later I had some pepto bismo. Yes, I really wanted to avoid puking. It's one of my least favorite things in the world to do.


Experience:

I felt the on set about 15 minutes latter, with visuals something like at very low level smoked DMT experience. Things were waving around and arranging themselves into patterns. The closed eye visuals consisted of around 2-3 shapes taking up entirety of my vision. With some time I started feeling like the input from of all my senses was getting amplified. Stretching out on the couch and grabbing at the cushions was oddly satisfying. Eventually the visuals changed, everything started look extremely bright, clear, and vivid, with faint patterns shimmering across every surface. Once it was fully ramped up, the primary effect was powerful mental and sensory overload, where everything became unbearable to look at.

I was getting overwhelmed and I tried to escape by running off into my bedroom and huddling up in bed with the lights off. I felt like I was being blasted apart into patterns and totally loosing myself. It wasn't too long before I knew this wasn't going to work; it was too dark in there and I had to run off to another part of the house. I became aware that my stomach was a bit unhappy, and I though that my body might need to puke, and in my state it might not be that bad. I tried to force myself to throw up, but that wasn't going to happen. It was like my stomach had shut it's self down completely. Something about the light in the bathroom made it feel like ever atom in body was getting blasted with white light.

I spent a bit more time sitting by myself in the living room. It felt like I was getting something like the opposite of ego death. I became extremely aware of every minute detail of my past, and all of the series of events that lead too this point. My thoughts were racing and difficult to keep track of. There was a timer with me that I had originally planned to use time out re-dosing, and I felt the need to keep of how much time I had left. Each minute was passing at a punishingly slow rate.

Eventually a friend showed up, and for some reason it made things more easy to deal with. I think it gave something to focus on and feel more centered. They had a lot silly internet videos of puppies and kitties to show me. By this point I ended up spending a lot of time on the couch rocking back and forth. I was in a state where I had to constantly change what I was doing, because I felt like if I stayed still I would plunge into something too deeply and become overwhelmed. After the first 2 hours were over, things started to calm down. The experience ended with me sitting in front of a fireplace with a kitty in my lap, in a state of calm and euphoria. For several months before this I had been experiencing unexplainable problems with anxiety, and afterwards this problem was completely cleared away. I felt like my state of mind had been reset and this lasted for several months.

Now I'm wondering if this is the sort of experience is what I should expect from pharmahuasca? The visuals were rather mild with a high level of psychological intensity. I have this feeling that if I was pushed past a certain point it might be easier to give into to the experience, and maybe it would be easier to handle. Other people seem to be able to do fine with this, so there must be a good mind set to approach this with. I've been much more comprehensively disoriented on LSD, but this was much more difficult to deal with. This was an exploratory mission to find the dose and get a taste of what it's all about, but it ended up being way different than anything else I've tried. I'm planning to cautiously try again once I can get the courage.

That sounds like quite the deep experience from 40mg. Pharmahuasca is indeed psychologically intensive, but it can also be incredibly visual as well. 40mg DMT is at the lower end of the pharma dosing spectrum. More DMT would make it more visual for sure. Personally I usually take not too much more DMT orally, but then I like to vape DMT on top of that. It's not something that I'm recommending in your case considering that the experience was a bit too intense for you to begin with, but nonetheless, at that kind of a dose range, my visuals tend to be somewhat mild, so then I vape to fully induce the full range of visuals and (hopefully) hit my sweet spot. It's much more difficult to find one's sweet spot with just dosing orally IMO. People's sensitivities to pharma can vary incredibly, and while it seems that weight might not play that important of a role, I'm nonetheless curious as to how much you weigh.

What I've really been wondering about is if there's a way that I figure out to approach this mentally, where it would be easier to handle. I was thinking that I should try to let go of reality, and sit still, let the tripping catch up with me and eject me into an alternate reality. The times when I did stay still and close my eyes I felt like I was going into some form of ego death. Maybe knowing what to expect could help, but then again I might get totally bulldozed into a trembling wreck.

Next time I plan to do 200mg harmalas and 20mg DMT. I'll see how it goes, and maybe nudge it up from there. Vaporizing DMT on harmalas is something that I've been interested in, but I'm not clear on the effects since I've surprisingly had a lot of trouble finding information on it here. Would the psychological aspect suddenly be intensified? Vaporized DMT (non breakthrough) has been by far the most visually intense thing I've done, and the mental stuff doesn't happen so much since there not time to think. Your just strapped in for the ride. Everything else has been visually disappointing.

I weigh somewhere around 140. Before I tested this out, I had been reading that 70mg was a good starting dose. I'm so glad that I decided to be cautious and go lower.

Vaporizing DMT on pharmahuasca have facilitated what I can assuredly refer to as the most intense and visual experiences of my life. If you're not prepared to be swallowed heart and whole for an hour or so, it might not be for you.

When I saw the thread title I came here to warn you to start low. Thought you were about to embark on your first journey. I've done pharma once and I did too much. I'm happy you were vise there to start low
I'm only 60kg. (120) and I took 250mg. harmalas and 85 of DMT. And it was an absolute train wreck. Very dark from the beginning and just pain and suffering madness. It's well over a year since and I'm still scared of the stuff. And I'm no beginner here. Been using psychedelics for almost two decades and usually quite big doses.

I think next time I'll do 150mg. harmalas and 60mg's DMT.

If you're going to trip soon please report back here A private msg with a link to your thread would be great

Good luck and thank you for sharing

Hi Oh-Hungee. I rarely post in the forum, i prefer to chat, but given that i recently had a little pharma experience myself too, thought i could add to the topic.

First of all i would like to talk about the dosage thing. Im happy you decided to start low. Before trying pharma, i've done a lot of reading and dosages for different people ranged from 40 to 200 mg here in the forum. I decided to start in the middle at 100, and i had devastating experiences.

Like i said some days ago i tryed 190 mg og harmalas and 40 of dmt fumarate. I thougt to barely feel anything from the dmt, and i was prepared to feel mostly the harmalas. I had a susprisingly intense and visual trip instead, i think i can give it a 2,5/3 on the shulgin scale. So i discovered i was taking almost 2,5 times my ideal dosage in all my past experiences (about 6-7 experiences total).

One thing i noticed, and it seems it's the same thing for you, it's that the experience is short. After the 2 hour mark, whatever dosage i took, things drop down a lot in intensity to almost baseline.

I think one serving of pharma last 2-3 hours in the system, then the effects drop, and i think would be useful to adopt an ayahuasca-like dosing scheme if one has the need to dive deeper in the experience. Now im trying to find the minimum harmala dosage to activate the dmt, which i suspect is around 160 mg, then i think i will prepare 2-3 servings of 160mg+20/30mg dmt. With this method i can dose a second serving when the first one start do drop in intensity, very much like ayahuasca experiences in the amazon.

Another thing i can relate with your experience is the mindfuck. I sincerely doubt being lost in the visual can help you with that. I would be very careful upping the dosage if 40 mg gave you that sort of effect, like i said all the times i've been on 80, 90 or 100 mg, i've been in very unconfortable places, a place on the verge of the insanity where you wonder why you do those sort of thing to yourself lol. The road i will take would be that of more small servings spaced 2 hours apart, not that of only one big serving, be it harmalas or dmt, or the two togheter

If you tend to feel the nausea it would not go away with ginger, lemon oil, or even meds. I feel it everytime, i've tryed all the things you listed, none of them helped me avoiding nausea, and i think if you are like me the faster you train yourself to live with it the better . I can tell you that a warm blanket, silence, a bed, and darkness, are the best cure to the waves of aya/pharma.

Happy travel and keep us posted with your new experiences

Thanks for all the reply's everyone.

It sounds like before I try vaporized DMT on pharmahuasca, I would want have a few DMT breakthroughs, and I'd probably try it on harmalas alone first. I'm actually and less intimidated by vaporized DMT, because while it's been incredibly intense, it's almost always ended up being a positive experience in the end.

DMTripper: It was your experience report that I had in mind when I decided to go lower. That and some of the shenanigans my friends have had to deal with when people overdid it. It seems like this must be one of the most challenging of psychedelics. From the few experienced psychedelic user that I've talked to that have tried this, ave said this is the one that pretty much kicked their ass. I did have a very harsh and jarring LSD experience where I was disoriented to the point were I felt like I was paralyzed, but even then it lacked the sheer level of madness I got from pharmahuasca.

I found that ginger, and lemon oil did pretty good job of getting rid of the nausea. I just had some minor stomach discomfort. It's worked about the same for when i used mescaline and morning glory seeds. What was different here is that I got the feeling that throwing up would some how help the experience. At some point I'll probably try it with out anything to help with the nausea, and have my come up in the bathroom. Re-dosing sounds like interesting way to it if I can find a dosage level I'm at least somewhat comfortable with.

I think I may try it again in a month or two. The MAIO diet thing along with some of the medications I take makes it difficult to find a good time.

I'm happy to hear that I really don't wish ANYONE to go through what I had to go through.

After that trip I decided I would NEVER touch that stuff again or any other psychedelic. But of course that happened a few months later. Well actually it was almost a year. But I have not done pharma again since but I will. But will be super careful in the future. And NEVER do something for the first time alone. That was very stupid of me. But I wouldn't have wanted any of my family or friends see me in that state. Maybe it didn't look to bad on the outside of my mind but if someone would have seen me how I think it was that person would have become scared.

I finally found the right time, place, and state of mind to give this another try. I tried 200mg of harmalas and 20mg of DMT. The procedure was the same as before. Absolutely no stomach discomfort this time.

It came on in a similar way to the first time. With in 15 minutes I started to feel a bit weird and see visual distortions. At 20 minutes all of a sudden it felt like my entire existence in rung like a bell, and with in a few seconds I am a 100% at the peak. All the open eye visuals stop, except for everything looking extra vivid and real. All the visuals from this point on were close eyed. What I see is elaborate mosaic tile like patterns, detailed down to the very finest point I can possibly see. This is different from the first time where the closed eyed visuals were very bold and simplistic. The patterns are shifting, spinning, flipping around and interlocking. I got the same feeling of being overloaded with way too many things going on at once. I was under this immense deluge of information. I had tried to think of ways to mentally deal with this, but it becomes clear that nothing is going to help. I have no idea how to deal with this feeling. It wasn't quite as out of control as the first time, so I'm able to stay a bit on top of it. There were a number of oh shit moments, where the feeling of everything suddenly shifted.

After a while of staying still and trying to keep myself calm, I tried to think about things. This made me see bizarre symbols of unknown meaning. After awhile of this, introspection felt so boring and trivial. As I was watching the waterfall of patterns go by, nothing else felt interesting or important. The mood shifted and calmed down in the second hour. I ended up sprawled out on the floor, in a state of total peace and euphoria. The feeling of it was something like being on a long car ride and watching the landscape go by. I tried to think again and mentally move around in this space. At one point it felt like I was traveling through the sub-routines that run my body. I lost track on time after awhile, but when the effects were wearing off I could feel myself returning to the same anxious state that I started with.

Over all this was a very abstract experience. There wasn't any direct confrontation of personal problems, and it wasn't much for introspection. The only thing I've tried so far that had been overtly emotional and introspective was mescaline. The next week I felt a general feeling of clam with anxiety at the periphery. The cause of the anxiety problems are part of a much longer story. The changes were set in place and the anxiety gone when I was finally able to get a good night of sleep. This didn't happen until I stopped taking melatonin.

On vaporized DMT, things have gotten much crazier but the overloaded feeling is missing. For the time being I consider pharmahuasca to be a bunch more difficult to deal with. Some where around here, I've read reports of people trying the individual harmalas on their own. I read something about one of them causing mental overload as one their characteristic effects. I wonder if this might have something to do with it?

At this dose level, this is something I feel like I could do more often. Before I was wondering how the hell anyone could do anything like this regularly.

You guys are so sensitive

I can relate. My first ever psychedelic experience was WAY too much mimosa/rue tea. 10g Mimosa boil. Whoooops. And once it's down the hatch no turning back. My experience was extremely dark and psyche shattering. 5-6 hours of hell on that one. During the comedown, during waves of re-establishing that there was an "I"... it was pure insanity. Real padded room straight jacket stuff.

My report of that one:
https://www.dmt-nexus.me...spx?g=posts&t=40858

I hope this thread and others like mine can be the warning to others the start very low and work up. Even as dark and difficult my trip was, after a lot of integration I found much to be thankful about it. I have since had 5 more aya trips. All difficult, but all helpful in their own way.