Before I start this please excuse my spelling... It's horrible Nothing that I've experinced in my life could have prepared me for what I just went thru about an hr ago........ So I've been trying my hardest to have a break thru experince since dealing with the spice of life and finally it has happened!!! And it was a strange experince to say the least.( I feel like you never have a bad trip using what ever your using at the time just weird) I loaded my water piece up but I over did ( roughly 120mg) it to make sure I had success this time around,previous attempts lead to light visuals which where enjoyable but not even close to this new realm I just laid eyes apon. So as i light the first hit i pulled in slow and at a steady pace,very deeply and as i start to exhale I heard that firmilary humming. I proceeed to shut off my bathroom light and go back to lighting and I would have to say about 6 sec into my second pull BOOOOOOMMMMMMM. All types of patterns completely destroy my regular field of vision. These patterns were very similair to native american art work in the sense that the visuals where heavly patterned and looked almost aztec or mayan (there has to be something to this). I'm in a new dimension COMPLETLY!!! The colors where some what comparable to those tacky black light greens,yellows,oranges and blues but that description really does those colors no justice. Patterns are all around me in this place and as i look up i see this being that has these neon colors painted on his or hers face in war like patterns that you see on those african war masks. I was overwelmed to say the least....WOW . The whole experince had a playful yet tricky feel to it if that make any sense. I heard children laughing and i start trying to connect to my body Not trying to fall into the wonderment. I touch my body and say to myself: Are you alright?? Is your body still with you?? Is your heart still beating?? Did you clench your jaw so hard and break all your teeth? Did you finally drive youself crazy? As I stare at this being I had to look away because it was to great for me to look at. I wasn't scared but I wasn't completely comfortable either. As i semi come back the bathroom door was cracked slightly and the hallway lighting turned several shades of orange and I kept hearing alien childrens laughter. Was it this being laughing at the fact I was looking for a way out in my head?? That I couldn't bare to look at it in it's eyes?? Or was it laughing at me for being so dumb struck?? As soon as I could stand up I did and things where still morphing all around me and the patterns where still there but not as real or intense as before. I insantly started to feel guilty for using a substance and wanted to throw away everything I worked so hard to get . Neededless to say that was THE most EXTREME experinces using anything I have ever had in my life and your hearing from an Ex Herion/Crack addict. I've used and abused every mainstream drug at one point in my life and have completely stop using everything too and needless to say this experince trumps any that I have had. Ever since I was a youth I loved hallucinogens and exploring these releams,have had some very intense trips that I got something out of more than just a "High" feeling and to say the least this is something to treat with respect and love. You shouldn't use DMT to get high but to expanded your conceinse

Congrats man, that was a very similar feeling I had on my first experience. I wanted everything thrown out in the worst way. I was gonna delete my nexus account and trash all the stuff I had worked for. Then I took a walk in the woods and thought, man my ego is a bastard. Its almost like it knows what DMT is and make you feel like getting rid of it is whats best for you by convincing you that you don't need it anymore. Kinda like one and done.

Best of luck my friend

P.s I'll pass some knowledge on to you that was passed to me. When your typing a big post try and break it up every so often. Its just easier visually.

This dose is huge, but the waterpipe if it has water in it is probably absorbing half or more of the DMT.

Wow is a word I have used a lot in relation to DMT as well.

Hello CapKeeper it sounds like you had a cracking experience but you should be carefull with loading up 120mg, thats a HUGE dose. anyway welcome to the mystery

hello Albert,



your right 120mg is a crazy high dose but i was'nt aware that water absorbed DMT, i didnt think freebase was soluble in water.

Is it something to do with the cooling of the vapour or the combustion?

cheers

from K Trout's SST #2:


So it is barely soluble, at least about 1mg per 1ml soluble.

A volume of water the size of a soda can is 350ml, meaning you could dissolve about 350mg into it, maybe a bit more or less. I would like to see some hard data on this.

A waterpipe is not a good idea, but the same type of device without water in it will work very well, though I would start at 20mg and increase the dose by 10mg increments to find a nice level of activity. If your method of vaping it is efficient 20mg is a decent dose.

I hope this helps.

In my observations, a water pipe (or even shisha for that matter) wont' really steal much, if any of dmt, regardless of the solubility of dmt in water. The only data (but not extremely convincing or flawless) I have is measuring the pH in the shisha water before and after a dmt session, which I found unchanged. The theory is that dissolution of dmt in water will raise the pH; dmt freebase is, after all, a base and in theory it can raise the pH for as much as its pKa value.

There are always other factors into play to consider, such as the dissolution rate. Some substances dissolve faster in a solvent, some slower. I'd guess that dmt freebase dissolves very slowly in water due to being inherently a hydrophobic molecule. While you can dissolve 100mg of sodium chloride in 100 ml of water in a matter of seconds, the same amount of dmt might take days with constant agitation to dissolve in the same volume of water. In the case of water pipe, the contact point is so quick that maybe very little if any stays behind in water. Granted though, another may argue that since dmt freebase is a gas, there is maximal surface area that could aid dissolution.

In any case, I have not experienced any difference when smoking it in shisha. It would be very useful to have hard data on how much dmt freebase can dissolve in pH=7 water though.

In my own experience it seems to take 2X as much for equal effects when using a water pipe, but I have not replicated and experimented enough with it to make an outright claim of that. The 2 times I used a water pipe with it, it just didn't seem to go as far, but then I have had different batches go further than others with Xylene evaps being the most effective and naptha freeze precipitates being the least, though all were strongly active, so there are too many variables to know.

Cheers guys

That's wonderful. I'm glad you had a very positive experience
When I smoked it, I had a growing feeling of worry - a concern about feeling panic or freak out. Luckily I didn't break through, because obviously I wasn't ready for the full experience.
However, I am looking forward to it and right now I'm just biding my time. Not a single day passes without me thinking about DMT.

Ahhh the tricksies! So far every breakthrough I've had the best way I can describe it is "the playroom of the mischievous juvenile jester like orchestrator" ... the entity presence that I perceive is neither friendly or hostile, but rather like a dimensional child that wants to show of his new toys. To me the entities are part of the geometric visions, as if they are spinning these fantastic fractals out of themselves.

I'm really starting to grow fond of these little guys... they sure have an astounding toy box to share!

On a side note, you get that that 120mg is a ridiculously high dose right? The recommendation that I hear often that really sounds ..well, sound, is to work on your technique with 15-20mg until you do get a strong effect.. properly vaped (in a GVG or "machine" that should be more than enough to get a good effect, if not break through. I break through every time with that amount using the machine in one toke. People's tolerance varies, but 120 is off the charts, and if by dumb luck you did vape that amount properly, you will be in for a rough ride or possibly black out altogether. Even with the sandwich technique, a good 30mg dose should be more than enough to make things get interesting

Glad it went ok and yes, WOW sums it up well

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No I more than get that that is a huge dose *oneironaut* I purposley over loaded my bowl because ever other time i wouldn't break thru,haven't got my vape teknique down yet and plus I figure you can always put it down and you don't have to smoke all thats in the bowl ( i know sum will say its a waste) but at the end of the day all more can always be extracted so no worries on my end. Let me add that I've been reading about DMT for probley over 12 yrs and I finally put something together for myself and without a gvg i used the sandwich method and my good ole trusty bong!!(I love her!!!) It's been truley a great experince though............ I broke thru tonight and had another jaw dropper... They diffently are the tricksies( I Love'em !!!!....They make me laugh )

Congratulations! I'm new to this too and was seriously thinking about overloading my bowl, but realizing that the experiences I get with 50mg are amazingly strong as they are, despite the fact that I have yet to break through...

The most interesting feeling I seem to get the past few times is that I'm being tuned in by a buzzing electronic sound and extremely powerful orgasmic vibration through every cell in my body. Could this be the case anyone???

I love your comparison with Mayan/Aztec! That's exactly how my visuals look when I get them!
Unfortunately I haven't the past few times.

Also think about DMT all the time and it feels like its the most "nutritious" thing I've ever done.
Every time has been a joyful amazing experience and left me feeling healed, happier, more intelligent and motivated afterwards.

WOW truly is synonymous with DMT imo...

Love and respect,
F

Oh, another thing... Strange thing is that despite that all experiences have been utterly positive, I'm so scared every time I prepare to launch!
This comes from a person who's done a lot of psychedelics and also a skydive instructor.

As Master Yoda would: "Powerful the spice is... Respect it you must."

Love and respect,
F

I get that nervous feeling 100%,100% of the time too!!! My belief is cause your body and soul knows that it's about to be played with harder and faster than anything it has ever encountered but in the end are higer self loves this realm so much that's what keeps us coming back for more. You say you haven't broke thru yet !?!? What are you waiting for???? Jump in the waters fine!!!!!!!! Then again spice is fun at lower levels ,breaking thru is kind of like sky diving in the sense that your making such a leap of faith that your schutt will open (brain) and everything will be normal and safe again