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Tranquil
#1 Posted : 2/23/2013 2:55:38 PM

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FIRST EXPERIENCE

About two months ago, my first experience with DMT was via vaporized changa. Approximately 20 mgs of DMT, 10-15 mgs of Rue Harmalas, in a mixture of blue lotus, mullein, pau d'arco herbs for the flavour, a light dosage, taking into consideration my small size and light body weight, (I am 5'0'' tall & 88lbs/39.5kgs). I inhaled and held my breath for as long as I could, but being inexperienced, I could not hold it very long. I layed back, and the first sensation was feeling as if my head/face had skewers through my jaw, my cheeks, forehead and my chin, and I felt like I could not move my head at will. And that some force was turning my face to the right. It was not painful, and I was relaxed, just intrigued by the sensation in my skull and allowing whatever sensations were to come, happen. I closed my eyes and immediately saw with amazing clarity a dizzying volley of colours, shapes that kept transforming and evolving, it was also very bright, (even though the only source of light were some small candles) I saw what appeared to be clowns? or human like painted faces, I felt that they were welcoming me yet at the same time, poking fun of me in a lighthearted way, and I saw in another vignette a vivid houndstooth like pattern with alternating orange and green that pulsed and curved.

I would have a more detailed report, but since it has been some time, this is all that I remember. When the beautiful closed eye visuals dissipated, I was still experiencing an extreme body buzz, vibrations that continued through my body. There seemed to be pain or strong pressure in my belly, but it was diffuse, and difficult to tell where I was hurting. I was aware and with eyes open, the previous visuals of diffraction of light and shadows into soft primary hues were going away.

I was laying on my side on our bed with my husband laying beside me and I held him and was just enduring the intense physical sensations. I found myself very uncomfortable in my body. I began to plead in my mind for it to be over....and I felt ashamed at that. My husband had reported only pleasant physical sensations, and I felt bad that my experience was the opposite. I began to wonder if there was something wrong with me, for I wanted to return to base line sobriety. I had seen what DMT had showed me and now I was simply suffering physically. I do not mind a strong body load while exploring inner space, I have experienced a similar body load when taking truffles and mushrooms, but at least, I'm still enjoying the closed eye visuals and the open eye visuals, and learning. This time, there was none, and I felt it was not worth it, this was too high a price a pay. I just had to hang on to my husband and wait for it to be over. It took about an hour or so and then I was fine.

SECOND TRIP

My second experience with DMT was doing pharmahuasca prepared by my husband. First, extracted harmalas from Syrian Rue and DMT fumarate - 85mgs of harmalas in orange juice, then 20 minutes later - 30 mg of DMT, fumarate also in orange juice.
I had fasted the previous days, eating simply (vegetables and lentils) and not having coffee or alcohol. I ate a bit of rice cake with olive oil. It was 10pm.

It was slow to come, the slight body buzz lasting going on for 30 minutes and then I decided to go to the bedroom, with just a candle and my husband and our dog for company. She kept laying on me. I moved her to lay beside me, as I was feeling the physical sensations getting a bit stronger....and hour passed and nothing more was happening, besides a strong body buzz, not really any closed eye visuals, except for some that are similar to the indistinct colours with the backdrop of black you can see while using cannabis. Nothing like the bright visuals of the vaporized DMT from before. I decided to take another dose, this time 20mg of harmalas and 20mg of DMT.
I waited...closed my eyes and felt a much stronger body sensation. I felt it coming....again, a similar sensation of my face being manipulated by tiny creatures, they were disassembling my mouth, and pulling my lips, teeth, jaw. It was not painful, just interesting. I was wondering why they felt the need to pull my face in many directions. I closed my eyes and waited, the body vibrations were getting stronger at this point.

I sat up in a mediation pose and heard a loud humming......and then I saw what looked like a brain with an aura appear and was getting closer. It was in front of me, just lower than my face, and I felt a great pressure, very great pressure all over my head. I think I said, ''wow'' at this point, since the pressure was something I had never felt before. Then the humming got louder and louder and I started to dive into the visual of the brain, the pressure intensifying.....and just before I dove in or went out, I believe I mentally pulled back. It felt like when I am experiencing a dream and wanting to wake up. It was a transition from a different state to a waking state. I think I was not ready at that point to break through. I was open to seeing different visual imagery, like I did the first time, but I wasn't prepared for the physical intensity of the body sensations. I consider this experience to be a valuable first step.....and a learning experience so that I have a better idea of what to expect next time.

The only thing was that the body load after I came back was even heavier than when I vaporized. I felt utterly ill, and I was suffering, and I told my husband that I wanted it to be over, I do not mind strong sensations, but this, this was too much, (and I can tolerate strong pain very well without needing to take something for it). I had him bring me a large bowl so that I could purge. I did finally, without needed to expedite it, I felt like I was not going to stop vomiting. I was gasping for breath, I could not breathe. I could not breathe. That part was very unpleasant.

It stopped and I was spent - I felt quite ill, and completely weakened. I continued to feel a very strong body load for the rest of the night and into the following day. I felt like I was recovering from a strong flu, very weak in my body. I did not feel physically normal until after another night of sleep on the second day.

Mentally, however, I felt rejuvenated and refreshed. I felt good mentally, but I believe the harmalas really took a toll on my body. My intuition tells me that I should probably avoid these types of harmalas in the future. I plan on vaporizing just DMT without MAOI's and see if it affects me or not the same physically.
 

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#2 Posted : 2/24/2013 12:35:21 AM

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I am familiar with the experiences Tranquil is posting about because I am her husband.

When her body recovered after pharma, her description of the body load (which may be an understatement) reminded me a lot of how demolished I felt after the last time I took mushrooms, about 3,5 grams of cubensis.

Anyone has experienced anything like this with a moderate dose of harmalas? Feeling physically depleted, beat, for over a day. We used rue harmalas, and initially my first thought was that maybe harmaline was the culprit over harmine, so maybe separation and use of harmine HCl would be worth a try. If anyone has experienced symptoms like this, and found a way to minimize them, it would be good to know.
 
 
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