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I think the nitrous state when mixed with tryptamines or even ketamine and mdma for that matter is an incredibly intriguing place. in my younger days i spent long summers at festivals hammering balloons either on lsd or mdma/ketamine, it had some reality warping effects for sure, waking up in other bodys other realitys, eerie voices, people turning into cartoon animation or pure energy signatures, living several lifetimes super accelerated to the speed of light into zero point! anything and everything pretty much, i just found after a while it became a bit shallow and almost negative from over abuse or chasing it. i think nitrous in general has a lot of bad side effects, uncontrolled motor coordination, similar to motor neuron disease i believe. this and memory loss, and for me personally general sketchiness. that said most of my profound nitrous trip combinations came from lsd. some real profound unbelievable exeriences, but almost like you were being shown enlightenment but it was a trick. you couldnt bring it back and you were always slapped back down into so called normal reality left amazed confused and bewildered!

so i agree its certainly worth experimenting with but i would not recomend it as an alternative to spice as health wise its worse than vap'd spice or changa imo.

also using whippets which are designed for whipping cream rather than medical grade nos cylinders are completely different, i suggest obtaining the medical stuff, its a lot better in terms of experience and health wise, if you dont filter the whippets small particles of metal and gunk from the mechanism get into your lungs which certainly isnt good for you.

I've had that combo before and it was excellent.
The MDMA eliminates any pre-flight nerves for me.

I normally hit the changa immediately before I have the nitros and that takes it to a whole new level. If you load your ballons before you smoke the changa it makes it easier because you don't have to stuff around filling ballons while the changa is coming on.

try having a big medical grade balloon in your hand, and smoking a good 50mg or as much as you can of spice and then hitting the balloon definitely worth trying atleast once!

I still condone excessive nos usage it is bad in so many ways..

Care to elaborate? I'm personally unaware of any detrimental effects to one's health other than the reputed harm concerning a Vitamin B deficiency.

My first with spice was an efficiently vaporized hit of spice(~65mg), with 16g's of N2O being inhaled beforehand.

To anyone considering doing this; I highly recommend that you abstain. These are two very different substances. One is hedonistic and the other is indescribably spiritual. I would keep the nitrous for the end of your adventures in hyperspace... but that's just me.

https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=40431

The above is a link to a thread in which I describe exactly how I came to feel this way.

If you really want a little bit of relevant hedonism... I would suggest you try ~800-1000mics of LSD and save your spice for when the peak is just beginning to relax. What an extremely beautiful experience! Although if you have some nitrous kicking around, it's going to be hard to refrain from tapping into it while tripping! What you have to ask yourself is this... are your aims to experience something profound or pleasurable?

Personally, I feel as if there is plenty of room (and time!) for a balance in our lives. I'm currently waiting on a massive box of N2O (a small crate ) and saving the spice for the next trip. LSD and N20, as stated above, is a powerful psychedelic combo and the ensuing dissociation can be extremely profound as well as pleasurable.

However, I cannot dissuade myself from the notion that it is an injustice to dissociate oneself from the DMT experience. It so sincerely profound in itself that it is something worth focusing your undivided attention towards.

I'd like to add that my opinion reflects my own physiology; yours will too.

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These do seem to synergize VERY well. Some of the most intense visuals and ego loss I've experienced.

Don't do too much (N2O), or else you'll get a killer headache.

You do realize that's a whole ten strip, if not more, right? Why should someone just randomly eat upwards of 10-12 doses of LSD? This needs to be revised, IMO. Encouraging people to eat that much acid is dangerous.

I do not find this combo to be good. I have tried it twice, once with isp cartriges. When I am under the effects of psilocybin, any type of brain damage stands out to me. And though I have always mixed my N2O with B12 and at least roughly %60 of Oxygen, I still got a headache after I lost the effect of the Nitrous. I had a sense of spirituality both times, so intense that it felt that I had a temporary awareness of a shared conciousness with my cells (or brain cells it felt like of em'. A voice inside me pleaded for me not to continue, and asked me why I was experimenting with the N2O. My first response was visuals, and the voice responded "Are you happy with what you see?" I was not. My second response was "To find some sort of enlightenment or higher state of consiousness" and then I realized that Nitrous simply slows down the flowing moment, seperating you in time from your conscious being, and your physical limitations.

It is very addictive and habit forming, prolonged use severly impairs your memory, if using cartidges for cream whippers small particles of metal and the oil for lubricating the seal of the cartridge gets into your lungs, this can be avoided with a simple filter but most people dont use one. and probably the scariest side effect is the loss of motor control, i.e similar symptoms to parkinsons disease, now it only occurs from heavy abuse and disappears if you stop using heavily, this has been noted by myself and several other heavy users who have stated the same observations, here is a paper i found that shows the role indigenous NO plays in regulating these bodily systems, so its perfectly logical that excessive heavy use causes the side effects that i and many other people have experienced.

Endogenous nitric oxide

I still believe its pretty safe if not heavily abused and like previously stated side effects of heavy abuse seem to be temporary.

Could you elaborate about the memory loss associated with N2O? And is this given no Oxygen intake?

Nitrous is problematic. It's 30 times more harmful than CO2 as a greenhouse gas and buying balloons on 'lot' supports an increasingly-violent organized crime scene.

That said, it's relatively safe if done in moderation. Though don't be surprised if you sit down with any amount of gas and next thing you know it's X hours later and you've inhaled it all.

nothing much to elaborate apart from my own observations and that of other people ive spoken too in the past, heavy use severely impaired short term memory recall, if youve ever been up all night and taken ketamine been doing nos and mdma etc you invariably reach a point where half of the conversations you have are chasing the last sentence that you'd half forgotten. well thats quite an extreme example of short term memory loss, and with the heavy nos i found similar inability to remember sentences, forgetting what i was about to do whilst i was in the middle of doing it etc. as soon as i stopped the nos abuse my memory improved dramatically. ofcourse my observations could be partially subjective, and other drugs i was taking at the time namely ketamine could also have been impairing my memory functions.

and im refering to longer term effects of short term memory loss. not the memory loss after spazing out from doing a big balloon! which is no doubt down to partial asphyxiation due to lack of oxygen, which surely kills a fair amount of brain cells!

HAHAHA.... This is exactly how addictive N20 can be.

In the wise words of Grandmaster Flash:
"There's nothing to gain except killing your brain. DON'T DO IT!"

Thanks for sharing your experience. I've always thought that Nitrous oxide gas would be a very pleasing mix with Salvia divinorum, Psilocybin mushrooms, or DMT, and have read quite a few excellent reviews of those mixes over time. It's good to hear you had a positive, enhanced experience with the combination of Shrooms and Nitrous.

I'm primarily a Salvianaut, and quite fond of it. My close friends also have mushroom experience, but none of us have any experience with DMT yet. After reading DMT: The Spirit Molecule by Dr. Strassman, and noting how fast-acting DMT (IV, smoked) increased the heart rate (sometimes markedly!) and caused general anxiety-style physical reactions in the body, it seemed to me that a sedating, relaxing, anesthetizing substance like Nitrous oxide, or perhaps Ketamine, administered immediately beforehand could reduce or nullify that heart rate increase while also adding its own wonderful characteristic note to the intense experience, perhaps even allowing the psychedelic experience to be prolonged in a synergistic way. Instead of blasting off on a rocket ship, it would be akin to taking off in a hang glider; a happy medium between smoking DMT and the long scenic route of Ayahuasca.

Like smoked DMT, smoked Salvia presents a shockingly fast entry into those "parallel dimensions" in the higher doses. Something to lubricate the psychological transition would no doubt be valuable to quite a few people. I've yet to try Nitrous combined with Salvia, but it's definitely on my near-term to do list. Both are legal in my country.



Yeah, I noticed that! The first time I tried Nitrous with a friend (who was also a newbie to gas), we somehow went through 21 chargers when originally I was planning to use up just 12 in total from the case (two rounds of 3 chargers in a ballon, each). Some of the gas was completely lost when he accidentally let go of a fresh balloon containing the Nitrous from 3 chargers.

We both observed in ourselves a notable compulsion to keep doing more after we'd wrapped up our session, and that feeling didn't wear off for many hours - half a day in my case, 24 hours in his. After that evening, I came up with a personal rule in my head to only ever keep one case of ISI chargers physically on hand at any time when I plan to indulge in Nitrous with a friend. This ensures that the "next thing you know it's X hours later and you've inhaled it all" can't happen with more than a reasonable amount of one case split between two people (12 chargers each).

Having physically at hand only the amount you feel is reasonable is an extra safety net preventing overuse in case one's psychological fortitude happens to be weaker than anticipated.



Yeah. I read up about Nitrous oxide in depth on Erowid before trying it for the first time, and came across the page showing the photos of the contaminants from various brands of chargers, and the scary amount of black build-up on the cloths and inside the dispensers. As a result, my friend and I were sure to use the cleanest brand (ISI) and to put a thick kitchen washcloth over the dispensing end of the cracker. It's such a simple way to prevent 90%+ of contaminants from getting into your lungs, and too bad more people don't do that considering washcloths or even a t-shirt are everywhere to be found in a residence. The cloth also helps to insulate your fingers from the extremely frosty cold cracker after it has dispensed a few chargers in a row!

I have done this combo. It is quite amazing. It enhances the visuals about 20 fold for me. Quiet amazing.

And what I do to stop the metal peices from entering my lungs is I put a filter on the mouthpeice of my cracker.

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