Thanks to the help of other members of this board, I have been developing a relationship with Changa, and taking it slowly to develop an appreciation as I start to plunge in further. At first, my experiences were almost hostile, clinical... there wasn't this feeling of empathy and communion that so many people describe on here, feelings which I had long since established with psilocybin. I figured that it was my approach, and members here advised me to take it gently and ease myself into it. I have been following this advice, and the rewards have been paying off big time.

My last two sessions w/ a friend and 1:1 caapi leaf/spice have been incredible, and I finally get what all the fuss is about... however I believe that the rabbit hole extends much further than I have been, and I am excited about traveling further down.

Most of the advice I received regarded going slowly, a hit at a time in a proper setting and allowing myself to push it further as the spirit of the experience called me. With this tact, I have been able to remain in the 'space' for a few hours each session, pushing it further as the experience warranted and then backing off as well. It is very nice to be able to adjust the intensity of the experience w/ counting hits and refraining... different than the mushroom experience where what you took is what you get, and there is less room for modulating.

Within these two sessions, there were 3 occasions that were different than the rest, and I am not sure if they qualify as breakthroughs... I am sure that the experience goes much deeper than this, but I thought I would try to qualify these for those newbies like myself that may be interested.

The first was a sensation of acceleration... the music got louder and louder, and a feeling of being at the top of a roller coaster, where your stomach drops took over me, and i seemed to propel forwards into a much brighter and faster moving space than the other 'less intense' hits. I found myself not really knowing how I had arrived 'here' and was surrounded by bright tapestries of quickly moving textures, and what I can recall as an elephant headed being in front of me sort of 'drumming' on a podium. It is very hazy, and short lived, but farther out than I had ever been before. I knew enough to just focus on breathing, which felt very distant but was enough comfort to accept the experience for what it was. Amazing.

The next (breakthrough? maybe not) experience I had was very pleasant actually... My friend and I on our second session vaped a little cannabis midway through our changa session, which took some of the anxiety away. Then I hit it with more intention, and found my body awareness to morph into a sort of 'flight simulator', and I distinctly remember flying over a simulated terrain type of experience... I could maintain my thoughts while this was occurring, and it was just so pleasant and comfortable. The terrain kind of looked like 1980's computer simulators w/ vectored graphs... very very cool.

The third experience that was different than the rest was more intense than the rest, I can't remember that many details... only that it felt very 'close' to my center of being... the sensations were right in front of my face, my body dissolved and all that there was, was this pulsing bright white energy. A wonderful experience. I came out of this space suddenly, and made a loud gasp which scared the living shit out of my friend that I was journeying with. He jumped a good two feet of the couch, screaming, and then a second later we laughed our asses off for about 10 minutes. I can still see his face, warped with complete primal terror. I knocked him right out of a blissful place... sorry man.


Based on the reports here, this is just the tip of the iceberg... not even sure if these qualify as breakthroughs, or if that even matters. This is a relationship I hope to build over the years to come, and I am in no rush to push things faster than I can deal with. Thank all of you for your support and encouragement to push myself into frightening and amazing places.

I think that's the right approach to take, slow and steady. It's the same way i approached it, and my experiences have always been positive and intriguing.

As for your breakthrough, it does sound like there's more for you to experience But you're right, it's not like it matters. Just go with it, it'll happen in it's own time. It's more important to have respect and patience than to just dive in head first because you want to breakthrough.

I wonder if that elephant-headed being you encountered was Ganesha. Are you familiar with him?

Dioxippus - Thanks for your reply... I am anxious to see what else is out there, though I agree that all will come with time. I think during our next session, I will bring my glass bong and when I am ready after a few maintenance hits, I will load up and blast off. Each experience has been terrific... I don't know why I am so hesitant to just dive in.

Global - I am vaguely familiar, just paintings from art school and an occasional read. It is interesting how this wasn't even remotely on my radar, and yet manifested in my experience. Makes me wonder how much of 'me' (if there is a me) is producing the experience. I remember and Iggy Pop quote regarding smoking DMT in the 70's where he mentioned seeing a giant buddha and remarked how he was so uneducated, he didn't even know what it was. I am sure he had seen something like that in his life, but again, interesting how the quality of the experience may transcend the traveler themselves.

Wonderful description of your entry into the world of Changa. It helps me prepare for my first encounter.



This is exactly one of the things that draws me to the Changa experience. The ability to modulate the experience, both in duration and intensity. I hope Changa will be as good a teacher as psilocybin and ayahuasca have been.

When you go for a longer Changa journey, do you preload your smoking device with enough for more sessions and keep on toking when you feel like it? Or do you reload your device multiple times?

I found that I had the wherewithal to reload our smoking device after we touched down enough to want to blast off again. I didn't weigh the amounts.. just counted hits. It can be deceptive though... there were a few single hits that were more intense than 2-3 hits previously.

I am in love with this method... my next project will be to combine changa with mushrooms. I get the sense that being airborne already will help to push the experience further and maintain the heightened state for more navigation. I have a batch of my mushies in the works, and I can't wait to dive in.

Good luck... it took me a few tries to find the sweet spot, but my god its been worth the effort. So much more to learn

you could try one of these



load 4 bowls and smoke at will with no need to reload, i think they also do a 6 bowl version.

EDIT- i just bought the 6 chamber version and it is superb. It holds about 50mg of changa per chamber and allows for a lovely exteneded experience as all you have to do is pick up the bong, rotate the device and crack on.

highly recommended

Hey guys,

very interesting thread, thank you very much for the information.

I'm actually preparing for my first Changa experience and I'd like to know if someone tried smoking Changa through an "ice bong".

hello ars somniandi,

if by an ice bong you mean a normal bong with a twist for ice to sit in then yes it will work just fine.

welcome to the Nexus and good luck on your first Changa journey.