Hi,

In the Astral I have come across Imp like creatures with large fangs.

I feel I have capture one on video to, in life, the physical world:



I have had a few bad OBE/Astral experiences that board on the lines of Night Terrors.


LoS
Steve

Sounds like a perfect setup for a bad experience actually .
Group of people, abrasive music , unmeasured dose
Nobody with real experience . I agree that it sound like you burned
The Dmt as well , that's never good .

It's fascinating to see a good number of reports describing
Being on a table with entities, this seems to associated
With overdose scenerios. The advice given that nothing bad can
Happen was obviously wrong . There is a learning curve with
This stuff ,its a drag you had to have this happen to you.
Set setting and dose are everything.

I have also had an experience where I felt pinned down on what seemed to be a table with lots and lots of little 'imps' carrying out a strange procedure on me, it felt as though they were inside my head.
There was many other creatures surrounding me ahowing me unexplainable things . The setting seemed to be like a children's playroom (a bit less traumatic than what you describe)
Luckily for me I was completely relaxed and just accepted and enjoyed what was happening to me. Fortunately I have had more than my fair share if hyperspace journeys and I knew what I was in for.
I used to worry when I had my first few journeys because every time I have dmt, even in the smallest amount I encounter entities, and in a breakthrough I encounter MANY entities of different forms from dragons to elves. Buddhas to aliens!
This forum reassured me that I'm not alone and I'm not going crazy. Every time I just completely let go now and I take anything that comes at me as just part of the experience.
Mindset and setting is Definatly important!
Don't think I could do it without psytrance tho! ( but that's just me)

There was serpent like dragon that come up to me on one experience that had thangs it loooked quite scary and slithered its tongue at me and there were other entities waving their hands it me it felt as though they were telling me off! Was extremely intense but I'm pretty strong minded and was just amazed by it.
Hope this makes you feel slightly better knowing that other people have been through ordeals similar to yours :-)

It does make me feel better hearing other peoples stories! The more I think about it, it sounds like I set myself up for a terrible experience without even realizing it. Without sounding too cliche, I truly believe everything happens for a reason, including this bad trip. I may not fully understand why it happened but I'm a better person because of it.

I feel that everything happens for a reason also, glad your alright now :-)

What exactly is the circle of protection?

Would love to know myself please tell me more!
witch of Nottingham

Hello ccd701! Thank you for sharing your experience with us. I added my first experience in my introduction essay that you might find interesting because of the resemblance in themes. I will link them here so you can see that at least for me, it was not always a frightening experience. In fact, it was only once, and it was my first time.

I hope my experiences can shed some light on your experiences. All experiences are so varied because of so many variables that I won't make any speculations to why your experience was so frightful, other than perhaps you might have burned it accidentally (the harshness), the amount of and the setting thereof.

Nature of reality:
https://www.dmt-nexus.me...spx?g=posts&t=39937

Female entity, more nature of reality:
https://www.dmt-nexus.me...spx?g=posts&t=39897

My first Ayahuasca Experience:
https://www.dmt-nexus.me...spx?g=posts&t=39968

I hope this can help you in your experiences.

I read your first experience in your introduction essay and it was fascinating. I replied there, thanks for sharing!

ccd701 It was this



Made it sound as if you were sitting on some horrible secret you keep bottled up inside.

I've never done DMT to achieve my experiences, but if I did I'd be sure to clear a sacred space before I did it and draw a circle of protection around myself, which is exactly what I do before I try and step out into the Astral. Don't leave yourself wide open. Mood lighting and soft music is nice and all but won't help you to defend yourself. Basically you're doing the exact same thing I do, accessing the Astral, only you're taking DMT to get there. If you're going to take shamanic drugs do as the shamans do, and properly prepare yourself first.

Circles of protection are found all around the world in every culture for the simple reason that they work. There is no set way to do it, personal preference, whatever works best for you. Basically you cleanse yourself and the area you're using, with the agent of your choice, salt, holy water, some burning bay leaves, verbally announcing that you are cleansing the area of any negative or harmful energies. Then you draw a circle of protection around the area, using your finger, a knife, a wand, whatever makes sense to you, and announce verbally that you are drawing a circle of protection around the area and nothing harmful has permission to enter.

Permission is a very big deal in the spirit world. Malicious beings have all kinds of ways of tricking you out of permission (As one yogi taught me "First they lie, then they scare, then they beg." ) It's where we get the idea vampires have to ask your permission before they enter your home.

There is also what's called the 'terror in the thresh hold' or 'dweller in the thresh hold' that many people encounter their first time out in the Astral. You are confronted with your worst fears and have to fight them off. Some people get out, are confronted with it, then give up on magic altogether. There is some discussion whether this is a test of bravery or things in your subconscious you must deal with before continuing on the path. They try to overwhelm you but you've got to call their bluff and know that it's a bluff.

"Then you draw a circle of protection around the area, using your finger, a knife, a wand, whatever makes sense to you, and announce verbally that you are drawing a circle of protection around the area and nothing harmful has permission to enter."

Haha this sounds like something straight out of Harry Potter...I'll pass but thanks for the insight.

Hi,

Simple circle of Rock salt around you should work, Salt that hasn't been treated with Iodine basically.

LoS

It is a practice in witchcraft, but it does work. Honestly, whether you believe in it or not, it does work. I've used smudge sticks to cleanse areas, and circles of protection from salt.

DMT "The Spirit Molecule", admittedly gives us access to some bizarre realms that are inhabited by some sort of entities. Not all of them could be friendly, and to go into such a powerful experience without any thought to protection could be foolhardy.

Just saying. It's not most peoples bag to practice things like that, but it sure can help you feel safe and secure, whether you put much credence in it or not.

nice. a medicinal compound even.
DMT holds the answers to questions we have not yet learned to ask

G

Hey bud, sorry to hear about your scary experience... I've had an LSD trip where I didn't know what I was getting into and my gf morphed into Satan and taunted me the entire night for what felt like was eternity-- NOT FUN!

About your Harry Potter comment, a few thoughts:

It may be a good idea to open up to things other than what you know about already and are comfortable with and do research through experience of your own before dismissing sound advice that has worked for others- especially when it comes to this type of stuff, ya know?

A common response/instinct to what I just said may be, "well all that 'magick' stuff is just placebo and/or going on inside the person's head, it isn't real", but think about it, the experience that has caused you to re-evaluate your life also just occurred in your head, a place where the placebo effect runs so rampant that there are special tests that have to be done on main-stream drugs to prove they break a threshold of placebo effects.

Alan Watts, a cool thinker/spiritual type from yesteryear, said something like "if you think you need to see a psychologist, you need your head examined". What he meant by that was, whatever it is you think YOU need to do in order to have an experience (spiritually speaking here), doing it will make you think you've done the necessary work to get there. I think it may be a residual of the protestant work ethic

Try finding a ritual that means something to YOU; could be praying, eating nothing but fruit for 24 hours as an act of sacrifice/devotion, doing a funny dance, asking the DMT to please be gentle with you and state your respect for it, anything really, but state your intentions and make a point to protect yourself in whatever way you think will be best for you. Any of those things I just listed could be considered "magic" since the effect they have is a result fo you thinking they're important!

I personally gather my friends in a circle and have everyone state why they're eating the mushrooms, ingesting the MDMA, etc, and what they want out of it. Then I'll say a blessing and we all ingest it at the same time as a sacramental type thing. Nothing fancy, but it totally works.

Others may disagree with me but just wanted to add my two cents.

I wish you the best of luck on your continued inner journey and shoot ya deep and sincere Namaste!

Wow,

It is interesting rereading this as I had a similar first breakthrough experience as this and I know I read this before having my first. Makes me wonder how much my trips are influenced by other peoples trip reports and listening to Mckenna. Like my mind is just trying to figure out what is going on so it applies thoughts and experiences I have heard and makes it become real, obviously through my own mind filters and connections. I have no idea. This stuff is so wild.

After my experience I found someone who practices a form of shamanism. I doubt I will ever try a breakthrough without her and a protection ritual beforehand. The only thing I know is that her ritual will get me in a state of contemplation of love and peace and I hope that is more what my next breakthrough will be about.