so i've heard that with a cwe of large amounts of mhrb you can achieve effects without a maoi.

i've heard it becomes active around 20-50 grams. so i decided 100grams would do a pretty good job.
i understand there may be some sickness. but i'm ok with that.

i have about 2 hours before i'm ready to dose. i'm going to dose some st. johns wort. in hopes that might enhance it a little, if not, it will take away most the anxiety. but before i drink the reduced mimosa i was wondering who has tried this, and if 100g would be a little too much? if no one responds and just reads this, then just send good vibes.
i made around 2 liters.
edit.
final judgement.
i drank about 3/4 of a liter of this stuff, without getting rid of the tannins so i ended up gaging.. around 2 hours passed, with nothing hapening, so i figured it didnt work. i fasted before hand in hopes it would hit me quicker, so i was pretty hungry. i went to get something to eat, and ate it. about 5 minutes after eating i started to feel the effects. it was a pretty good trip. really cool cev's, but no contact. it lasted for probably about half an hour. it may have lasted longer, but i fell asleep.

so the verdict is this works pretty well. if you think it didnt do anything dont drive cuz it may hit you pretty quickly. once i remove the tannins from the rest of the brew i'll try again with a higher dose. there was no difference between smoked dmt and this. besides the obvious longer duration. however i would like to know why it didnt hit me for two hours, and then go into full effect.

Good luck mate!

well i used the percolater that someone on these fourms posted before. i cant remember his name right now. but i'll try and find it in a sec. i just read a report of someone who only took 25grams and extracted it via a french press within a matter of minutes which i thought would be a great improvement on the perc system which took about 3 hours to get about 2 liters of liquid from.

anyways, he said he would like to have doubled his dose, but said for about 2 hours he had the effects of about 35mgs of smoked dmt. so i'm just gunna drink about a liter of this liquid which should be a little more than the 50 grams he was hoping for.

well. i'm off to drink it. i'll fill you in on how it worked.

(p.s. this liquid is extreemly bitter. i'm gunna have to add some honey, which i've read is pretty common when dosing this way.)

all i could handle was about 3/4s of a liter of the stuff before gaging.

its been about 45 minutes since the first drink, and have had no effects besides maybe slight color enhancement. but that could be placebo.

the nausea from this was outrageous.
will not be trying this again. maybe again when i have an maoi so i only have to use around 4 grams instead of 25.

what do you think i should do to bring this down?

i thought about simmering but i'm worried about losing potency.

alright, thank you very much.
i'll be trying this tomorrow.

this is very strange. almost 2 hours after initial ingestion. i am definatly feeling effects and getting visuals. maybe its because i just ate something?

updated

Haha it worked?!
Well done. That puts an old argument to rest.
Wonder if it contains an maoi, or if one of the alkaloids is just orally active. People seem to think the first.
Bit of a waste though, 100g for one trip!

well i only used ~25 grams for the trip, for a little more than threshold effects. so if you're looking for a +30min long breakthrough experience it would probably take 75-100 gram dose. i had a kilo so i figured i could spare 100 grams for a test.

just make sure if youre drinking that much to remove the tannins. because of the horrible neasuea. other than that it was a great trip.

and there are suspected maois in the plant.. that have a similiar structure to morphine i believe?
dont hold me to that. but if you google mimosa without maoi and look at the erowid question page for it. you'll find all the information there in great detail.

what is cwe?

Cold water extraction, I believe.

Most would agree that yuremamine is the active alkaloid present for MAOI(?)

Even still, it's amazing how its compounded into this single plant orally active by cwe.

When I researched it on erowid a while ago, all I read was something about the Jurema Cult that said that the use of the MAOI to make the Jurema active had been 'forgotten' over time and that the current use was inactive and purely ceremonial. Then there was an argument where one guy (researcher?) had said that it was active alone, but all these others were rubbishing him. That's why I got so excited after reading your report!

So, now if SWIY gets busted with 1kg of jurema, he/she can say "well, an orally active dose is 100g, so that's only enough for 10 ceremonies". Very useful for the home extractor's piece of mind.

Also, it makes the plant seem more special to SWIM somehow. He has to try it sometime!

You say it was EXACTLY the same as smoked spice?? That's very interesting...

yes yes yes!!! please if you can give a detailed cwe extraction tek for MHRB....i would LOVE to try it!

....what a sacred plant....!

love and gratitude!

I experimented with this cwe es well and i agree that it is quite an expensive way to get DMT effects, but it does indeed work. I find the taste of it not that bad. 30 grams seems to be a threshold dosis.
Combined with MAOI's, the CWE works even better. You don't need that much then.

SWIMs done this as well. 2/3 a cup of water with 25gm of MHRB. worked but was more visionary dream like imagery then anything. lasted a couple of hours. some interesting things came of it. the nausea was really powerful, the tannins are very astringent and really wrecked the stomach lining.
SWIM thinks that eating some food right after drinking is what probably gave you such strong effects... and would be a good idea for any one doing this.
Swim would recommend a smoothy of white coconut juice and flesh (fresh) with a bit of agave syrup and cocoa nips all blended with the cold water infusion. cut he taste.. its easy on the tummy too.
the cocoa will boost the effects as well as nip out the flavor.
cold water infusion of this is extremely easy. take the MHRB powder and let is soak in the fridge for two days or 8 hours it may not matter and then strain. thats it...
you do not need to add any lemon juice, and you dont need to cook it.
It is definitely yumarine that causes it to work... and its not an MAOI either.J.C. Callaway has done alot of research on this.
Now... cooking may very well break up the yumarine so it is not recommended that you heat it at all. it has to be a cold water infusion for it to work. I am not sure how one could get rid of tannins with out cooking. if you have a method please post it.
dont eat any thing prior to ingesting this... wait until after you have drank then eat some nice sour dough bread something light with a bit of fat in it. like some cottage cheese.. easy to digest.
alcohol is often drank in the jurema ceremonies as well so might look into drinking some rum.

I believe both of those methods require heating, or boiling, or at least simmering the mark.. that would be counter productive with the yumarine... as its supposed to be very sensative to heat.

Another way to get rid of the tannins is to add calcium hydroxide until the pH gets to about 10 I think. That should form calcium tannate which is insoluble in water. Then filter out the calcium hydroxide and calcium tannate. Then add an acid like citric acid bringing the solution to about pH 7 so that the solution is not alkaline and harsh on the stomach.

That’s based on some stuff I read. I don’t really know if it will work for mimosa, but it should.