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Infundibulum
#1 Posted : 3/8/2009 11:17:50 AM

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After having some disappointing experiments with Pharmahusca, SWIM decided to try the addition of theobromine in addition to the harmalas (extracted from rue) and dmt. This guy's plan was to try 300mg of theobromine + 250mg of harmalas, followed by 200mg of spice later on.

So he took the 250mg rue harmalas + 300mg theobromine and waited. Just for the record, he has tried quite a few times the harmalas in the past in doses of up to 600mg without really noticeable effects, maybe some calmness bt nothing more than that.

This time it was very different; after 20 min he started having very intense effects. He had trailers in his vision, he couldn't turn his head around without his visual field getting messed up. He was feeling very calm and serene and he had total loss of fine movements and orientation. He couldn't stand up, couldn't walk without bumping onto objects, couldn't roll a cigarette and he was feeling pretty close to being stoned.

As time progressed, effects became more and more stronger. He decided not to take the spice and just follow the path of the harmalas. The whole experience was given both thumbs up!

He had many OEVs, very different from ones experienced from tryptamines. No geometrical patterns, no breathing of objects but really bizzare trails neon light that would randomly appear in random places and form in the shape of little green men who would perform a dance, then disappear. Or they would organize into some red flashy dots that would also perform some dance, then disappear. Pretty interesting.

But CEVs were amazingly weird. Under closed eyes, he could see people, human people all the time. Not too clearly, it looked like old cinema or something and it felt the need that "light" needed to be shed to make them brighter. But these visions were very interesting by themselves. It looked alot like remote vision. Like seeing some parts from other peoples life, then the vision was morphing into a new one and so on as SWIM was slipping through the trip.

The whole experience lasted for 5 hours and it was totally psychedelic in all respects, pretty visual and extremely euphoric and calming. There was a bit of nausea in the firs one hour that was resolved by the good ole' puking methodWink The whole experience was quite unexpected (considering only harmalas were taken) but definitely worth trying again.

There is definitely something with theobromine that makes it potentiate substances. It may be even possible to use theobromine to adjust the different components of pharmahuasca, so that it can be made more harmala-like or spice-like. Next time for SWIM it is going to be 100mg theobromine + harmalas, then 200mg + spice. This may give less of the harmalas effect and more of a dmt effect.

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#2 Posted : 3/8/2009 12:18:20 PM

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SWIM has had fantastic visions with just harmine alone. Also with just harmaline. Both of these compounds are psychedelic on their own if the dose is right. It sounds like theobromine is bringing this quality down to the lower dosage levels.

Recently SWIM tried 350 mg of THH HCl and found at that dose THH also becomes psychedelic like the others, but it's very different. It's unlike any other psychedelic. It's sort of LSD-like in some ways, sort of harmaline like in some ways too, sort of marijuana like, but still very unique. SWIM has a hard time relating it to any other psychedelics. It's pretty intense in it's own way and the effects come on in waves. SWIM experienced mental psychedelic effects, mild visual effects, excitement, and some weird hard to explain trippiness along with some minor nausea and difficulty walking. SWIM did not except it to be so strong. At 100 - 300 mg, the effects are pretty much the same: euphoria, tingling, mild trippy feeling, peaceful mood, etc., but once SWIM passed the 350 mg mark, that's when it became truly psychedelic with many hard to describe psychedelic effects not felt at smaller doses.

Have you ever tried activating THH with harmaline? What I mean is, take 100 mg of harmaline 20 minutes before taking 200 mg of THH. This is supposed to "activate" THH. SWIM has not tried it and is out of THH so he can't try it now either.
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#3 Posted : 3/8/2009 1:15:03 PM

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nice report infundibulum..im SUPER interested to see how your next time with some dmt goes..personally though..if you got those sort of effects without any of the DMT...perhaps you might want to try a slightly lower dose of dmt?? the way 50mg of dmt fumarate felt for SWIM was that of something 5 times stronger at least...so with 200mg of dmt..you may be looking at a possibly potentiation dose of 1000mg! PLUS the harmala effects..i know SWIY is a hard head but..it might not be a bad idea to have somebody close by just in case

its good to see people are still working with theobromine..SWIM hasnt tried it again yet..after his last super theobromine experience..he hasnt felt the need to venture that far again for a little bit..bufotenine has been his material of choice at the moment..but hes waiting for some d-limonene to work out a tek with this wonderfully smelly solvent..
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#4 Posted : 3/8/2009 6:28:41 PM

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Jorkest wrote:
bufotenine has been his material of choice at the moment


SWIY got the bufotenine bug too now!

SWIM has a cold and can’t inhale anything so he’s switched to using mescaline for a while. Mescaline is so nice. But SWIM misses the visual effects of bufotenine.


The harmala alkaloids are often overlooked as psychedelics.

I have the feeling that the boosting effect from theobromine is caused by its vasodilation effects. It may be that theobromine opens up the capillaries in the digestive system allowing the harmala alkaloids to more easily pass through the walls of the digestive system giving them a short cut into the blood stream. Harmala alkaloids are normally poorly digested.

If my guess is right, then niacin should also work and probably better than theobromine does.
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#5 Posted : 3/8/2009 6:39:08 PM

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yes this stupid cold!! SWIM has it as well..its a tough one to get rid of..it lurks around..

hes waiting on some d-limonene to continue his bufo extractions..his cat dumped over ALL of his bufotenine while SWIM was away..so he had to start from scratch when he got home..but hes paused a bit because he needs more solvents..

hes also been having this interesting problem with purity..the first few times he did the MEK:heptane he got BEAUTIFUL crystals..now all hes been getting is light brown..that look dirty..he hasnt been able to get the same purity since the first few times..and its bugging him because he doesnt know whats different..
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#6 Posted : 3/8/2009 7:21:23 PM

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Rue and theobromine are definitely a strange mixture. SWIM has recently just gotten to potentiating rue with a hint of THH&Theo. He felt like the ground had lifted up and had been on a flight escapade. SWIM has gone base jumping before and instantly reminded him of that experience flying through the air with entwining landscape that seemed to be 'closing' or 'falling' on him.. over and over again. Along the heavy bodyload, he had to tighten his gut to make sure he wouldn't purge. For SWIM theobromine can become quite nauseating so he can see how niacin could sustain visionary thresholds; feel the burn. Another concept to look into definitely, as B-3 has never really been 'toxic' at all to him.
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