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http://www.smh.com.au/te...moon-20121128-2aejm.htmlQuote:The United States planned to blow up the moon with a nuclear bomb during the cold war, according to reports.
The secret project, dubbed 'A Study of Lunar Research Flights' or 'Project A119', was allegedly devised by US military chiefs at the height of the space race in the late 1950s as a show of strength over the Soviet Union, scientists claim.
According to reports, the US would have used an atom bomb because a hydrogen bomb would have been too heavy.
A missile carrying the bomb would have been launched from an undisclosed location on Earth and travel to the moon, where it would detonate on impact. The project would have been carried out in 1959, but was reportedly abandoned by military officials due to fears that it would endanger people on Earth should the mission fail. Advertisement
Physicist Leonard Reiffel, who was involved with the project, said it would have intimidated the Soviet Union and given the US a morale boost after the Russians successfully launched Sputnik in 1957. Reiffel went on to serve as deputy director at NASA. Scientists involved raised concerns about contaminating the moon with radioactive material, Reiffel said.
Also involved in the project was astronomer Carl Sagan, at the time a young graduate, who carried out calculations about the behaviour of dust and gas generated by the blast.
According to the author of a Sagan biography, he may have committed a security breach in 1959 by disclosing the secret project in an academic fellowship application.
The US government has never formally confirmed its involvement in the project. The US Air Force declined to comment on the claims. universecannon attached the following image(s):  jackie-chan-wtf.png (37kb) downloaded 268 time(s).
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This sounds like complete bogus. The amount of energy you need to even make a crater that would be visible by the naked eye from earth will be more as all the nuclear weapons in the world combined. Also, on this moment they know that they cannot even blow up a large asteroid with our nukes so how would they want to do that with the moon? This story is a complete fantasy I'm afraid.  Quote:According to reports, the US would have used an atom bomb because a hydrogen bomb would have been too heavy.
LOL, the person who wrote this possibly thinks that the moon is just a small piece of cheese.  Please people, don't be so gullible to believe stories like this. Kind regards, The Traveler
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you TOTALLY quoted me on that title. Expect nothing, Receive everything. "Experiment and extrapolation is the only means the organic chemists (humans) currrently have - in contrast to "God" (and possibly R. B. Woodward). " He alone sees truly who sees the Absolute the same in every creature...seeing the same Absolute everywhere, he does not harm himself or others. - The Bhagavad Gita "The most beautiful thing we can experience, is the mysterious. The source of all true art and science."
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Just some nice figures: * A big superstorm like Sandy can easily produce the energy equivalent of 8000 megaton, a day; * Currently the biggest nuclear arsenal is only 7000 megaton total; * The biggest nuclear bomb to ever be detonated on earth was 50 megaton; * The total mass of the moon is 7.34767309 × 10^22 kilograms. So no, this story is fiction. Kind regards, The Traveler
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Given the cold war mindset, it would not surprise me if the idea was given consideration at some moment, though I am sure the technical details would have ended the discussion pretty quickly. Equally weird and misguided thoughts were acted on (MKULTRA for one) It's not like having thousands of nuclear weapons stockpiled is a reasonable basis from which to launch one's ideas to begin with, is it? The temptation to use one must have been huge. Once you have a hammer, everything looks like a nail. Images of broken light, Which dance before me like a million eyes, They call me on and on...
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Interesting facts But ay, just because i posted it doesn't mean i gung-ho believe its true! I figured the headline was just sensationalistic, and that if it was true they really only intended to detonate a bomb on the moon- not actually blow it up. In any case, funny story... especially since today is a full moon p.s. yes title credit goes to mindlusion, heheh
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Whoever wrote that piece was spicing up facts a little. Spicing up as in, dumping a kilo of chili on a single nacho. Project A119 intended to detonate a nuclear bomb in the moon, that's true. But the intention was no way near blowing up the whole satellite. Not even the most insane goat starers tripping balls would even come up with something like that. What they considered was firing a small nuclear warhead so it would detonate on the dark side of the moon, raising a cloud of dust that would be visible from earth thanks to solar radiation. They figured it might have been a nice show off for the eyes of the public and for those pesky russians, but they reasonably set aside the idea and focused on the moon landing project. "The Menu is Not The Meal." - Alan Watts
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Less ridiculous article on it: http://www.huffingtonpos...-cold-war_n_2199615.html
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Ha! Take that, moon! What did you ever do for us? I mean, besides give us tides, stabilize the rotational axis of the earth and somehow make women's physiology follow a 28 day cycle?? You're a punk, you old moon! Seriously, though. Radiation? They worried about radiation? That's what told me this is false. Space is almost nothing but radiation! The moon has been irradiated since it became a moon! Fun story though.... Be an adult only when necessary.
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Before dismissing this completely you have to remember the era we're talking about here... sputnik had just been launched, the first manmade object in orbit. They hadn't even started sending dogs and monkeys up there yet. Space was still pretty much a mystery. They probably had little to no idea of things like the amount of radiation outside our atmosphere, or how important the moon is to life on earth... Almost nobody would have had a clue about things like that in the 50's, especially a bunch of military brass looking for a way to retaliate against the implied threat that sputnik (an emptied out warhead) posed. Hydrogen and atom bombs were so new and they were so impressed with them, I could easily see them coming up with something like this as a show of force. No direction but to follow what you know, No direction but a faith in her decision, No direction but to never fight her flow, No direction but to trust the final destination.
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The moon is 1/6 the Earth's mass. They must have been aware that a bomb wouldn't have done significant damage. The dust plume story is more plausible, although its likely it wouldn't have been visible at all. But people certainly do come up with all kinds of crazy ideas.
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Crazyhorse wrote:Before dismissing this completely you have to remember the era we're talking about here... sputnik had just been launched, the first manmade object in orbit. They hadn't even started sending dogs and monkeys up there yet. Space was still pretty much a mystery. They probably had little to no idea of things like the amount of radiation outside our atmosphere, or how important the moon is to life on earth... Almost nobody would have had a clue about things like that in the 50's, especially a bunch of military brass looking for a way to retaliate against the implied threat that sputnik (an emptied out warhead) posed. Hydrogen and atom bombs were so new and they were so impressed with them, I could easily see them coming up with something like this as a show of force. That's true, I hadn't thought about that..... And along with what Guyomech said, people do come up with crazy ideas. Especially the military!! I guess I'd say it's plausible. I could just see a bunch of military and government leaders sitting around in a tizzy saying, "Oh god! What are we going to do? Those damn Russians are beating us!" Then another individual says, "I know! We'll send a rocket to the moon!" Much applause. Then another jumps in and says, real slow and serious, "No. We'll blow up the moon." Then everyone goes nuts. Later, JFK hears and says, "What a bunch of morons! We'll send people to the moon." That's how it happened, trust me. Be an adult only when necessary.
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The Traveler wrote:Just some nice figures:
* A big superstorm like Sandy can easily produce the energy equivalent of 8000 megaton, a day; * Currently the biggest nuclear arsenal is only 7000 megaton total; * The biggest nuclear bomb to ever be detonated on earth was 50 megaton; * The total mass of the moon is 7.34767309 × 10^22 kilograms.
So no, this story is fiction.
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The Traveler Sorry if this is a bit of a derail on the original thread, which in my opinion is absolutely fiction and silly, but Traveler where did you get these figures? Surely the biggest nuclear arsenal in terms of gigatons is still in the hands of Russia and surely it is over 7 gigatons. Didn't Russia explode one that was a lot closer to 100 megatons in the early days by taking a super powerful H Bomb configuration and wrapping it in a U-235 "jacket" then exploding it above ground and scaring the crap out of everyone, basically making Soviet and other scientists say "never again" for that particular design? "But even if nothing lasts and everything is lost, there is still the intrinsic value of the moment. The present moment, ultimately, is more than enough, a gift of grace and unfathomable value, which our friend and lover death paints in stark relief."-Rick Doblin, Ph.D. MAPS President, MAPS Bulletin Vol. XX, No. 1, pg. 2Hyperspace LOVES YOU
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Project A119 on Wikipedia."The Menu is Not The Meal." - Alan Watts
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Pandora wrote:Sorry if this is a bit of a derail on the original thread, which in my opinion is absolutely fiction and silly, but Traveler where did you get these figures? Surely the biggest nuclear arsenal in terms of gigatons is still in the hands of Russia and surely it is over 7 gigatons. Didn't Russia explode one that was a lot closer to 100 megatons in the early days by taking a super powerful H Bomb configuration and wrapping it in a U-235 "jacket" then exploding it above ground and scaring the crap out of everyone, basically making Soviet and other scientists say "never again" for that particular design? The total amount of nuclear weapons and their total yield is ever changing. Though it is believed that at the moment Russia has the biggest total arsenal while the USA has the biggest active arsenal: http://www.fas.org/progr...rweapons/nukestatus.htmlThe total yield of the total arsenal is again a number that is hard to get a precise number on, the best guesses are that this is currently about 7 Gigaton. The biggest nuclear test on earth ever was with the Tsar Bobma, this was originally a 100 megaton weapon but this was thought to cause too much fallout, so it was reduced to 'only' 50 megaton. Kind regards, The Traveler
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Thanks for the link, Vodsel. As always, stranger than fiction....
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The Traveler wrote:The biggest nuclear test on earth ever was with the Tsar Bobma Wow...That was the prettiest thing I've seen in quite a while.. (Does that make me wierd??)ps.Eva Longoria comes a close second.. Please do not PM tek related questions Reserve the right to change your mind at any given moment.
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^^^No, you're not weird, fusion is beautiful! (As long as we don't do it much in our atmosphere) The Sun is almost nothing but fusion, and I think we all agree, it's beautiful. If we can live on this planet without a full nuclear exchange, it will be a testament to our intelligence. It will have shown we have overcome the evolutionary, biological baggage of being an animal, and learned to control and respect such power.... and maybe one day put it to constructive use! Be an adult only when necessary.
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