PRE-CONDITIONS
(mind)Set: Excited and nervous
(physical condition) Set: Healthy
Setting (location): My room
time of day: (12 or 24 hour system, daylight? starlight? overcast?) 9:00 PM Night.
recent drug use: (list also any kind of medication) LSD three days prior.
last meal: (Time and type) Three hours prior to trip. Hamburger and fries.

PARTICIPANT
Gender: (m / f) M
body weight: (in kg pls) 113.398kg/250 lbs
known sensitivities: None.
history of use: (experienced, novice, first timer - in general and for this specific substance/form) First timer

BIOASSAY
Substance(s): (list all taken substances) Weed & DMT
Dose(s): (in the same order as Substances pls, use metric system i.e. g/ mg/ �g) 1.5g, 40mg
Method of administration: (dissolved in water, capsuls, insufflated, vaporized...) smoked together


EFFECTS
Administration time: T=0:00 (expand this if you used delayed administration for multiple substances or the same substance with multiple doses. Use indices.)
Duration: (x hours) 48 hours
First effects: 30 seconds
Peak: (estimate a time range and note as e.g. T=2:00-4:00 for a range of 2 hours beginning 2 hours after administration) 1 hour
Come down: about 2 days
Baseline: 2 days after

Intensity (overall): (use HRS-like scale i.e. 0-4: 0 = "Not at all;" 1 = "Slightly;" 2 = "Moderately;" 3 = "Quite a bit;" 4 = "Extremely." 4
Evaluation / notes:

OPTIONAL
Pleasantness: (0-4) 2
Implesantness: (0-4)4
Visual Intensity: (0-4) 3
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AFTER-EFFECTS
Hangover: (0-4 ; what type of impleasantness ; duration) 2 days
Afterglow: (0-4 ; what type of positive effects ; duration) 2 days


REPORT: First steps into insanity

*Keep in mind that I'm an adult. I seem like a child here sometimes because I'm so inexperienced with drugs. Also, all times are estimates. I could not keep track of time during the trip.*

My first encounter with DMT was not a pleasant one. This is my trip report about my first ever psychedelic experience. In hindsight, I should have chosen a lighter drug to start off with. I had tried LSD about three days prior to this trip, but it was so weak that I could hardly call it a psychedelic experience. I will be writing this report in the first person.

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It's 8:00 P.M.. T - 1h.

My girlfriend is coming over with a bag of weed. It's going to be my first time getting high! I also have about 40mg of DMT. I should probably take the DMT tonight and make it a crazy enlightening experience! She will be able to trip sit me and the DMT won't last too long, so it won't occupy our whole night. I'm very excited! I can't want to explore hyperspace, meet entities, and experience all this other crazy stuff people are reporting about.

9:00 P.M.. T - 10 min

My girlfriend and I have loaded our bongs. I loaded mine with a layer of pot, 40mg of dmt, and another layer of pot. My bong is overflowing with magnificence! I start hitting the bong. I get my first taste of weed ever. OH JESUS CHRIST!!! I CAN'T BREATH!!! My girlfriend calms me down telling me to relax. I don't smoke anything, so I'm not used to the smoke. I calm down and take another, much smaller, hit. The smoke seems to be manageable in small hits. I continue to take several small hits over the course of a few minutes. All of a sudden I inhale the harshest smoke I have ever inhaled. IT'S DISGUSTING! I start coughing like crazy. I'm all upset that I'm not high, wasted the DMT, and inhaled all this disgusting stuff. There's still plenty more pot in the bong, so I keep going while ignoring the cries of my lungs.

Here I am. Hitting the bong like it's a little sippy cup. Little hit here, little hit there. COUGH COUGH EVERYWHERE. I realize I have been looking at my bong the whole time. I look up at my girlfriend and I get hit with a ton of drug bricks.

9:10 P.M. T = 0

"OMG. Gabriella (gf)... I think I'm high. I can't hold my pipe." She takes the pipe from me. "My legs feel heavy and everything is zooming in and out!" I tell her while panicking. "Don't worry baby, that's normal." She says as she hugs me. At this point I am losing touch with reality. I feel like I'm skydiving. I go to my bed and lay down.

9:11 P.M. T + 1

Holy shit! I see all these crazy colors and patterns. I can't bring myself to open my eyes. I'm seeing so many closed eye visuals; it's mind blowing. I feel like I'm skydiving through a tunnel of fractals.

9:16 P.M. T + 5

I manage to get up. I still can't bring myself to open my eyes. I start pacing back and forth. I am ranting about all sorts of stuff.

T + 10

I kneel down on the floor and it feels like I am in a giant creator. Everything I say has an echo.

T + 12

This is where the trip gets out of control. I want it to stop. It's too much for me. My mind is going at 5,000,000 miles per hour. I realize I can't stop it. I keep asking my girlfriend about the time. It never seems to increase. It's like I'm suspended in time! This trip is going to last forever! I'm screwed! I shouldn't have done illegal drugs!!!

T + 15

I lay down on my bed next to my girlfriend. I try to fight the trip with all my might. I start shaking uncontrollably. "I want it to stop!" I shout. "Let go, don't fight it." She tells me. "I can't let go! I'll die!" I scream.

T + 20

I feel like I'm going to vomit everywhere. I feel something similar to motion sickness. I feel like I'm moving really fast. I keep pacing back and forth asking for the time.

T + 22

I decide to go take a shower. I go upstairs and lay in the shower. "Oh my god. I'm going to fucking die because some illegal stupid fucking drug. I should have never done this. I'm so stupid. I just want my sanity back." At this point I can't tell what's real or not. I question if I just burned the house down or killed my girlfriend. I could hardly tell what I was doing.

T + 25 min

I'm still in the shower. I contemplating going to the hospital. But I remind myself that this drug is safe and I just need to stop fighting it. I keep telling myself that I'm causing this bad trip.

T + 30 min

I start masturbating.This was one of the good parts of the trip. I start imagining all these crazy sexual fantasies. All of a sudden I imagine myself having an orgy with tons of beautiful women. "Oh my god. I have 300 dicks." When I climaxed, it felt like I was having an orgasm for an hour.

T + 35 min

After I came, I started panicking again. I found comfort in masturbation, but now my comfort was gone!

T + 40 min - T + 3 hrs

I finished my shower and went back to my room. I walked back and forth for hours. I still felt disconnected from reality. I just kept asking my girlfriend what time it was. "It's not supposed to last this long!" At this point I felt like I would never be sane again. I kept pacing back and forth until I fell asleep.

T + 9 hrs.

I woke up and I still felt incredibly stoned and disconnected from reality. I started freaking out again and woke my girlfriend up. I felt like this for the rest of the day and a little bit of the next day. The trip was a two day ordeal.

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It was a horrible experience for me. I will be trying it again soon though. I have learned that fighting the trip was the main cause of the terror. It will take a lot of bravery to take it again, but I really want to experience the good sides of this drug. Please give me tips on how to avoid such a trip.

Thanks for bearing with my lazy writing.

I would say that you have not had a 9 hour + DMT trip, rather you have been heavily stoned on weed for 9 hours. Maybe the DMT contributed towards the visuals, maybe not.

I would say it is probably not a good idea to try these two substances for the first time together.

Do them separately next time. Try getting nicely but gently stoned on the weed alone, or find another way to take DMT.

Once you are used to them both, then decide if you want to do them together.

That's my advice anyway. Hope you have a better experience next time round.

Lots of love

HPxx

You're absolutely right. That's what I plan on doing next time.

When you're talking about a vaporized DMT experience, a 9 minute peak would be lengthy - and you would absolutely be back to baseline within an hour at most. Smoking 40 mgs in increments spread out over a 10 minute period will also not produce a fully immersive experience (although doing so in 45-60 seconds sure will), so I think what you had was a nervous reaction primarily to smoking pot.

DMT is a lot to process for someone with ample psychedelics experience. For someone with very little, it's such a radical consciousness shift (even at threshold levels) that I can understand how one might be traumatized. I echo the sentiment that you should avoid mixing with weed if you choose to try again.

I feel that I had a dmt experience which was carried further by pot. I definitely took in DMT. I know the taste of the smoke. Is it possible that the afterglow of DMT can be enhanced by pot? I'll report back once I try both substances individually.

Enhanced, yes. Prolonged by hours, not a chance. Unless you are talking about the lingering effects on your psyche or worldview, in which case you might feel the "afterglow" lasts indefinitely.

I'm not trying to dispute that you felt effects from DMT. But your method of ingestion wasn't conducive to experiencing its true effects (which hit like a sledgehammer and then resolve quickly and abruptly). For that, you need to ingest a concentrated amount within a very short time frame, unless you are mixing with harmalas (in which case, you can ease in a bit more).

And as far as effects being "carried further" by weed, you'll get conflicting reports around here. Personally, I find that weed clouds and dumbs down the experience considerably, making it more euphoric but a great deal emptier. They're two distinctly different compounds.

I'm assuming your gf must have prior experience with DMT? I can't beleive she would have you try both herb AND DMT at the same time. I hope you don't give up on the chance of trying DMT again one day, or herb for that matter. Maybe you should stick with the herb for now, see if you like it, and then next time you could enhance a small amount of herb WITH DMT(similar to changa). Or better yet, do some research and build yourself a machine type pipe that doesn't require you to use any type of herbal bed. Just straight DMT to the dome.

Sorry you had a rough time, bud. Hope everything is good!

You were "messing" with DMT. You did not "do" DMT.

You experienced awkwardness from the low dose DMT experiences, and that awkwardness was carried by your psyche over several hours due to the cannabis.

IMO you should dive straight in rather than test the waters.

The ideal scenario would have played out with an epic first breakthrough administered by 2 or 3 giant hits which consumed all the 40mg, followed by a cleansing afterglow headspace for 30-45 minutes, followed by a triumphant rip of cannabis.

I would definitely not take anything else with DMT except maybe a RIMA. I have had my fair share of weed and psychs over the years and I am still a bit of a one hit wonder with both DMT and weed.

Slow down, just take a big puff and relax.

I would give it awhile before you try DMT again. This drug knows when you are ready to handle the full effects of what it can show you. You have to be willing to let go of everything and have the DMT take over. Just remember to always respect the DMT, that may sound funny, but it's one of the rules. Good luck to you

Hey MergeSort... sorry to hear you had a rough experience, and I hope that you are feeling ok now. Smoking dmt for the first time is a deeply intense and personal thing, let alone with cannabis which you also had no experience with. I always recommend that people don't mix these two. I agree with others that the prolonged experience after the initial dmt would have been the effect of the cannabis... cannabis is a deeply thought provoking substance which can be quite intense in itself... especially on a first time. The contemplative nature of cannabis I find can have a negative impact on my dmt experiences, as the dmt very much requires my undivided attention in the present moment. Contemplating while on a dmt experience is not a good idea in my opinion, and can stop you from really understanding what is actually happening.

Good luck, be well, and i hope that you aren't feeling too deterred from trying dmt again.. it can be a profoundly humbling experience which can offer a lot of insight, personal growth and healing. its good to do it right though and requires a deep level of commitment and respect

Bad idea to try both at the same time with no previous experience. Weed these days can be so ridiculously strong that by itself it can be hard enough to manage.

Consider dmt to be something that stands alone. It cant be compared to anything else.

It can take a long time to get used to the instantaneous nature of the experience.

breathing and reassuring yourself during the experience can help alot.
you must be strong and grounded.

Doing DMT and weed for the first time together was NOT a good idea. I think the bad part was because of the weed. If you're not used to weed you can feel really bad smoking too much. It can really fuck with your head.

Be more careful next time. Leave the weed out of it.

I agree with all the comments regarding mixing cannabis and DMT. I am wondering if DMT is really for you? It just sometimes doesn't agree with certain people. I have seen a few people try it and then never touched it again. It just wasn't for them.

Maybe its not a good idea to force something like DMT, even if the experiences you read and hear about appeal to you. Start with a lighter psychedelic maybe? or if you are set on trying it again, make sure to smoke only DMT starting with a small amount, and then working your way up.

Keep us posted on how you get on.

One thing about cannabis is that it can amplify anxieties considerably. Because you had never tried either, there is no way to disentangle the effects of one from the other, at least for that first 10-15 min. After that it was all the weed, combined with any lingering WTF effects that you picked up from during peak.

I personally love cannabis and recommend easing into it. If it's high quality stuff, try one good bong hit by itself, accompanied by your favorite music.

Another point: Art is right about the DMT needing to be ingested over a short time span. I find that if I take my time too much (such as when I have some rolled in a joint) it seems to kind of smear out the experience into a kind of dissasociative state. Not a bad one necessarily but not at all the high tech precision instrument that quickly vaporized pure DMT can be.

I think you have an admirable amount of testicular fortitude to want to try again. Better luck next time.

My first time on DMT was (unfortunately) mixed with cannabis as well, and I recognize a lot of what you are saying.

The DMT integrates very strangely with a cannabis high: it sort of dumbs down the DMT part of the trip, but can make the hours spent afterwards on a cannabis high much more intense. Normally whenever I smoke just plain herb I loose the ability to talk or interact and just sit back and watch the visuals, but after mixing it with DMT, I was wired, bouncing all over the place, gushing about my experience.

Add that to the fact that the first time smoking weed is ALWAYS a really intense, off-world experience and you were sort of set up to fall there. You were in a world you had no way of dealing with.

I would say try a low dose (20mg) of DMT just straight, no other mild-altering substances around and see where that takes you.
You may also want to keep experimenting with cannabis some more, because despite the amount it is abused, the simple herb can also teach you a lot.