Now I understand..........

I'm new to Changa. I've been smoking DMT for years and only recently started experimenting with Changa. Up until tonight I've been extremely disappointed with it. It was just not visual for me at all. I've done ayahuasca a few times now at group retreats and have yet to receive any real visions. I was getting the feeling that it was the same for me with Changa.

I also thought that maybe I have some kind of tolerance compared to my friends who are DMT and psychadelic newbies who can trip nicely off really small doses.

I would share it with friends and smoke the same doses as them and where as they were having full on amazing trips I would get no CEVs at all. Sure the room would be enhanced with colours in that DMT type way but no real trip.

Then tonight it changed. I've realised where I've been going wrong, I've been treating it like DMT and it's a completely different animal. Changa is not like DMT where you weigh out your exact dose and hit it and lay back. With Changa it builds and you get there slowly, it's all about patience. You need to keep going.

The first bowl of 60mg of 1:1 Changa is not like smoking 30mg DMT. For me all that does is just open the doorway. I can see now that with Changa the dose is almost irrelevant. It's all about hitting your sweet spot. Before tonight all I have been doing is opening the doorway and nothing more. Slightly scared to do too much I've been really careful with dosing, treating it in the same way as I would freebase.

Tonight I shared with friends. They would have 30mg each dose and I 60mg. Using a small water bong and torch lighter.

The first 60mg - No CEV's at all, just body feeling and slight OEVs.

The second 60mg - Mild CEVs, Strong OEV's. Definitely the most I had ever got from Changa but still not at all what I thought it should be. It did feel like I was being blessed though by a male presence. There was no figure, I couldn't really see him, it was more just a feeling.


The third 60mg - PURE MAGIC. I finally got to where I wanted to be. It came on so slowly, started as gentle green mozaic above me that blossomed into pink and yellow unimaginable love and beauty. It was so delicate, pristine and gentle, like a precious flower blossoming. All I kept thinking was "NOW I UNDERSTAND, I UNDERSTAND". It was like the best parts of a DMT trip without the fear and feeling of being overwhelmed. Finally I 'got it'. Like a light bulb eureka moment.

It was all moving so slowly as well, with DMT it's like super sonic speed. This was still and tranquil or moving slowly and peacefully.

It felt so healing, like it was fixing me somehow and I can see it's just the tip of the iceberg.

Changa is about being patient and getting there slowly, hitting your sweet spot and then staying there. Tonight once I hit my sweet spot it was already pretty late so we called it a night, but I know now how to treat it going forward. I can see why some more experienced Nexians don't even weigh out doses, they just fill up the bowl and go from there. You also certainly need to smoke more DMT mg's when you smoke Changa than the mg's you would need of freebase DMT to get an effect.

Delicate, Pristine, Sublime, Glorius Perfection. Now I understand.

I use a GravLabs Bubbler for most of my changa smoking. I'll also use the GVG at times but I like being able to just load up the bubbler and smoke. If you are igniting the changa like this i would recommend maybe not using a torch lighter. I'm assuming the torch is probably doing exactly what it is meant to do... TORCH... and when you are using combustion with changa you only want to apply enough flame to cherry it it. Let the cherry do the work. I think maybe the torch is penetrating deeper into the changa and you are burning up more DMT than necessary. Like i said, you just want enough flame to cherry it and thats it.

Also, i never weigh my changa. I've smoked it enough to know that if i just load up the bowl and start hitting it, that i can build up to where i want to be. I try to take similar sized hits and just add more as needed.

You are right though... it does seem to come on a little slower... and to build up per se... I always use B. Caapi leaves in all of my changa blends as well. I really feel like it adds a sort of nurturing quality to the experience and allows me to bring back more from the experience. This may be placebo effect to an extent. I don't know. But B. Caapi is my favorite herbal base.

At any rate, glad you are enjoying yourself!

This is the bubbler that i use. So smooth! HUGE chamber. And its sort of got a little diffuser-type-thing built into the stem. There are little slits in the bottom of the stem that add a nice little effect when you drag it. I got this thing for $40 and i LOVE IT. Bought it specifically for changa due to the large viewable chamber. I can really see how big of a hit i'm getting.

well, my best experiences usualy are when i smoke the spice right after a mild/average changa effect

@MomentOfTruth - I only use the flame for a second to cherry it, and as you say let the cherry do the work. I don't apply continuous flame to it.

My mix is -

Caapi Leaf
Caapi Vine
Spearmint
Damiana

I also add liquid Harmaline extract that I bought online. Looking to make 10X caapi extract myself or extract from syrian rue in the future.

Nice pipe man, looks awesome.

Ok good, sounds like you got it! I just wasn't sure from the initial description whether you were literally torching it, or just cherrying the herbs. Sorry for the misunderstanding!

And thanks! I'm loving this pipe for all of my changa needs. Its fairly inexpensive and works great for this purpose!

Do you find though that you are actually smoking a lot more DMT, mg wise, when using changa vs freebase.

Seems that on a night using freebase I might do 2 or 3 30mg doses. With changa it took me about 90mg's worth of DMT before I even got a proper effect.

You say 60mg of 1:1 changa is not like 30mg dmt. It totally can be imho. If I load 60mg of 1:1 in a pipe I will DEFINITELY breakthrough..everytime. I'll first start out by holding the lighter over the top of the pipe to heat the changa slightly so the dmt starts to melt down a little deeper into the pile of changa. Then i'll light the top of the changa and get a nice little cherry goin, then drag it realllllll slow. 1st hit held for 15+/- seconds then re-ignite the cherry with the lighter and do one more slow drag eventually cashing the pipe/changa and that 2nd hit I hold as long as I humanly can.

By the first hit though there is a very intense body load/shifting, so right after taking the 2nd hit I'm there no questions asked. I also use a standard lighter. I only use a torch with a GVG. And lastly..if you have access to a mini bong..give that a try Light it the same as I said above but make sure to fill the bong til its opaque and the changas cashed. That will CERTAINLY get you there..and then some.

Thanks, I will try your technique.

When you say - "I'll first start out by holding the lighter over the top of the pipe to heat the changa slightly so the dmt starts to melt down a little deeper into the pile of changa"

Are you inhaling at this point or just holding the lighter over the top of the pipe?

Sounds like the kind of experience I've been working towards too Machineelf. What kind of "changa" are we talking about? Is it just 1:1 dmt and caapi leaf? Or are you adding harmala extracts or syrian rue as well?

Tried your technique Tattvamasi using a normal lighter but it made no difference. Had a pretty disappointing night with Changa tonight.

3 attempts, 50mg each. First 2 attempts were very weak and were exactly like when I've smoked freebase before and accidently burned it. A burned DMT trip is very particular and always the same, hazy visuals that never really take full effect. The 3rd attempt was better but not like my 3rd attempt the night before.

Something is definitely not right. I'm a bit baffled, I'm being really careful to just get it lit and then let the cherry do the work while I inhale slowly but it's still very hit and miss for me. Well mostly miss actually. I can't figure out what I'm doing wrong

My mix is 1:1 -

33% Caapi Leaf
33% Caapi Vine
17% Spearmint
17% Damiana

I also add liquid Harmaline extract (about 3/4 of the weight of the DMT) that I bought online. Not sure how much this is affecting it as the extract is supposed to be used sublingually.

I was wondering maybe the vine is messing it up a bit as it probably doesn't smoke very well, but others have been smoking my changa, half the doses I'm doing and getting full on trips.

Also my changa is ground up to be almost powder like. Because I'm using powdered vine, I break everything else up to be the same consistency. Maybe larger leaf pieces are more effective, I don't know, but then again as I said everyone else that smokes it has no problem with it at all.

As I said I'm baffled as to why it's not working for me.

If anyone can offer any advice or shed any light I would really appreciate it.

Yeah I figured that was what you meant and tried it that way. Didn't make any difference though, still had the same issues of it not having a proper effect until the 3rd bowl was smoked. I can't figure out what I'm doing wrong.