Hi there. Last night I was hanging out with some friends who wanted to try DMT. We used a GVG, and the two participants got closed eye visuals and other various effects. When I vaped a larger amount of DMT than they did *from the same batch* I experienced only a mild feeling of my heart beating with no closed eye visuals.

Why did these people experience the usual effects for DMT and I did not? Is my body broken? Does anyone have any suggestions?

Hello Centromere,

How was the GVG set up?

Have you smoked a GVG before? They can be a bit tricky to get the hang of. What was your dose?

what 3rdI said and

did you hold the vapor in long enough?

most likely most of the spice melted through the screens and never turned into vapor and thus never got as far as your lungs.

I don't think your body is broken. But dmt does have a way of avoiding to work... I take it as a sign usually to either take a break or only do it when I am 100% convinced and willing to take the plunge. Because any kind of doubt or hesitation on my part usually results in full on or half-way failures... maybe I'm just being silly.

I agree with enoon before i got the hang of my vg most of my spice would just go through the screen and i would only get half effects. just make sure there's a nice bed of herb so it doesent happen. And I usually have to take some pretty violent rips from it to breakthrough on 35mg. be ready for the intensity and scary plunge into nothingness. dont doubt yourself and only rip it slightly. unless you have loads and loads of dmt to pack.

Use Chore boy to make a small screen, heat it up, melt the Spice onto it outside of the gvg, put the screen back inside, smoke sloooowly, hold it more than weed.

I used about 40 mg (my scale is not accurate at these low levels) of DMT on top of three screens. I used no spice. I read that you can't let the flame touch the GVG or else it will clog the ceramic heat spreader.

I would put the DMT on the screen, put the heat spreader on top, light my lighter, and pull at a very moderate speed. If there is any taste of burning plastic, it is mild at worst. When I exhale there is nothing but a thin amount steam, similar to what is exhaled if weed is in the GVG.

I have a fairly substantial amount of DMT which has resolidified inside of the GVG:



I've got to be messing up somewhere. If I hold a lighter under the GVG I can get the melted DMT to revaporize, but if I do it that way I have to hold my lighter there for a REALLY long time, it causes the glass to turn black, and the vapor *definitely* tastes like burning plastic.

Any thoughts?

i'm thinking 3 screens is nowhere near enough... that's why your dmt is running down & re-solidifying in the pipe as opposed to vaporizing... put 3 more screens in there, at least... or maybe a bit of chore...

When you vape DMT, are you supposed to see a thick white vapor? When I vape it, all I see is the DMT powder disappear off the screen (and eventually pool in the bottom of the GVG). I have frail lungs, but each time I've attempted to vape I have never had a problem. This suggests to me that I might be doing something wrong. Surely if I am doing it correctly my lungs should respond in some way?

The vapour should be fairly thick, yes, especially if you are using 40mg. As Leon says above you should get a chore boy or stainless steel scrubber and put that in your pipe. 3 screens alone will not hold the spice as it melts.

Chore booooy

Either get a chore boy like autumsphere said, or make an ash bed or herb bed to put on top of the screens. With only 3 screens, the DMT will run down the neck as soon as it melts before it has a chance to evaporate. Once it's down there, it requires an extraordinary amount of heat to vaporize it, and you probably won't get it. If you feel like smoking the DMT at the bottom of the pipe (which can potentially result in quite the powerful experience if you've got a lot of DMT sitting at the bottom), you can either take your chances and remove the ceramic filter and cautiously apply the flame to the GVG. It should plume up very quick rather quickly. Your alternative would be to rinse the GVG with isopropyl alcohol and collect the alcohol to evaporate. Once you've evaporated the alcohol, you can scrape up the DMT residue and try smoking it again (this time properly). A word of caution that the recollected DMT residue can be extremely potent for some reason. Perhaps because of the DMT recrystallizing and losing some impurities, or perhaps because on the contrary pyrolized byproducts somehow make it stronger, or just because it can be deceptive how much DMT can build up in the neck.

That is an excellent idea! I will try that, buy a Chore Boy, and update this thread.

Good initiative. Every time I've improved a single aspect of my vaping technique even if only slightly, results in exponentially greater results. The GVG can be a bit of a learning curve, but once you got it down, it's magic.

The store only had Chore Boy sponges, which doesn't seem like what I want. I got some steel wool instead:

I'm not sure if steel wool is entirely ideal. I can't remember what the problem was. Either you have to thoroughly heat it to get rid of some toxic component, or the small particulates might not be good for the lungs. Either way, I hope someone who knows a little more on the subject can chime in.

Stacking screens doesn't work well in the GVG. I've put up to 10 screens in it before and still had leak through.

You need to make a thin copper mesh disk like this:

Would the steel I bought work, or must it be copper?

Is it made of flat ribbon or round wire?
Flat ribbon works best, the wire like stuff doesn't hold DMT very well.
Steel wool is not ideal, the heavier stuff may work but I think the fine wool can catch fire.
What you have may work, just cut a small piece off and form it into a thin disk then soak it in acetone to remove any residue oils.

It's made of flat ribbon. It's not the really fine Brillo stuff.

If its flat ribbon then it's not steel wool, I'm atleast pretty sure they don't call it that. Anyways, take the ribbon and soak it in acetone. This is to remove the mineral oil they use during manufacturing. Do not use fire to clean it. After you let it soak in acetone, prolly only needs 15 minutes, then set it out to evap off the acetone. If you use a fan it will speed this process.

Acetone is flammable. Use safety precautions.

Then make the disc like the pic above. Presto.

Just so you know there is more than enough info on this forum already about how to do all this. There is an entire GVG thread in the smoking sub forum that you could have read and you wouldn't have needed to make a thread. Just a heads up.