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#1 Posted : 9/21/2012 12:21:27 AM

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After reading numerous threads about the dosage of DMT freebase the consensus seems to be 30-40mg for a breakthrough dose (though there is definite variation as reported here on the Nexus). I decided to vape 15mg as a test dose to see how my body would respond and increase the dosage as needed on subsequent trips. I've always been highly sensitive to psychoactives so thought this would be a safe way to start. Smile

I meditated awhile in my room with low light, put on some music, lit some incense, then vaped the dose while seated on my bed.

There were slight overlaying fractal-like visuals and subtle space altercations of the room where the walls and corners "pushed-out" enhanced light and the shadows seemed to "pop" when my eyes were open. A bending of the geometry of the room. With eyes closed I layed back on my bed and there was a development of intricate and complex patterns, a sea of bubbling movement swelling and churning in grays and subdued browns with bits of bright primary colors occasionally embedded in the scene. Wavestreams combined and separated while spinning, growing then evaporating. Very organic fractal patterns but not really geometric (no straight lines or definable angles), likened to animal cells seen under a microscope but a literal sea of these cells in constant flux. Some developed dark dots in their centers like nucleus and these particular ones seemed to become more stable and then migrate to each other in a "local" space. Meanwhile my body felt incredible, a feeling of becoming less massive but more alive as my awareness became my whole body. It seemed as if every cell in my body became self-aware and then merged with my higher consciousness, very hard to explain but definitely an ecstatic feeling... like a prolonged total body orgasm maybe?

So the bodily feelings intensified to incredible proportions, so complex no way to describe adequately, but I remember thinking during this experience that every possible physical feeling (from pain to pleasure) was a facet of ecstasy. Meanwhile my sense of space was expanding strangely as I felt I was going deeper into my body. The organic visual sea seemed to descend on me (or I expanded into it?) and in each recognizable cell was a dark gem, hundreds or maybe thousands now had this dark center and at some point all opened simultaneously to reveal an eye. Now things become extremely difficult to explain but my body and the sea of eyes became one and the same and there was a shift or folding of my consciousness. The eyes folded interdimensionally, many "folding" into one and then revealed to be set in a specific part of my body. I felt a sense of great expanse, limitless and infinite, but somehow all contained within my body, or the sense of a "body". There was also a kind of gigantic dimensional shift of space or expansion that I was subtly aware of as all of this was happening, like happening on a grander scale.

I slowly came back to reality after the dose wore off, my body felt quite pristine after that and I meditated for awhile before going to sleep.

The next day I tried 25mg and 35mg as subsequent test doses, but I haven't had a chance to write about the experiences yet as they're hard to put into words. The second trip was sort of OBE and the third my hands turned into God's hands, lol.

-EM

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#2 Posted : 9/21/2012 1:11:47 AM
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Very nice report on your 15mg voyage. That sounds about right...light effects. It's always nice to get one's feet a little wet. What kind of vaporizer are you using btw? I'm looking forward to hearing about your 35/40mg experiences. Smile
 
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#3 Posted : 9/21/2012 3:48:02 AM

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Well written report! You put into words those effects I have trouble expressing but can definitely relate to with the sea of vastness and the folding. Very interested about your higher dose trips! Smile
 
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#4 Posted : 9/21/2012 5:28:58 AM

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Tattvamasi wrote:
Very nice report on your 15mg voyage. That sounds about right...light effects. It's always nice to get one's feet a little wet. What kind of vaporizer are you using btw? I'm looking forward to hearing about your 35/40mg experiences. Smile


Thank you Tattvamasi Smile

I used a classic VG with a copper mesh bed placed down in the bowl. I did some homework in the Smoking section and this seemed like the best way to go short of the GVG.

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#5 Posted : 9/21/2012 5:45:04 AM

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lexiqon wrote:
Well written report! You put into words those effects I have trouble expressing but can definitely relate to with the sea of vastness and the folding. Very interested about your higher dose trips! Smile


Thanks! I used to keep a dream journal so I tried to write a description along those lines, though this is significantly harder than trying to describe a dream. It really only hints at the experience but it's still interesting to try Very happy


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#6 Posted : 9/21/2012 3:59:59 PM
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expansionmirror wrote:
Tattvamasi wrote:
Very nice report on your 15mg voyage. That sounds about right...light effects. It's always nice to get one's feet a little wet. What kind of vaporizer are you using btw? I'm looking forward to hearing about your 35/40mg experiences. Smile


Thank you Tattvamasi Smile

I used a classic VG with a copper mesh bed placed down in the bowl. I did some homework in the Smoking section and this seemed like the best way to go short of the GVG.


Yeah, I have the classic VG, and the mouth hole is so incredibly small it's really hard for me to get a solid dose. Once I got the GVG that all changed as far as freebase is concerned. I would certainly look into that. It is pricey, but super well worth the money for vaporizing freebase. The difference you'd notice would be night and day. Thumbs up
 
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#7 Posted : 9/21/2012 6:22:10 PM
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hello All of You here. I should say hello Huston. We have a problem. After a few hundered times of smoking dmt, we decided to change the free base dmt into the salts, succesfuly. And then. Here problem starts. On its own we try it into the nose. For 60kg of human body 0,2g did work, but the effect was weak compare to smoking even 30ml. And it was much weaker then ayahuasca ofcourse. Then we try with peganum harmala seeds. So mixed 3.6g of seeds, mixed,powdered, and then we put a boiling water to it. Covered for 15 minutes. Drink and eat the seeds, and after 30 minutes swollowed the 0,18g of dmt salts capsule. Womiting. Only harmala did work. And here we discovered that after harmala is a maoi is also very activ on its own and it is not only as inhibitor in ayahuasca. We should start think from this. Any idea, advice of how to use the salts and seeds proparly?
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#8 Posted : 9/21/2012 10:02:25 PM

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Tattvamasi wrote:
expansionmirror wrote:
Tattvamasi wrote:
Very nice report on your 15mg voyage. That sounds about right...light effects. It's always nice to get one's feet a little wet. What kind of vaporizer are you using btw? I'm looking forward to hearing about your 35/40mg experiences. Smile


Thank you Tattvamasi Smile

I used a classic VG with a copper mesh bed placed down in the bowl. I did some homework in the Smoking section and this seemed like the best way to go short of the GVG.


Yeah, I have the classic VG, and the mouth hole is so incredibly small it's really hard for me to get a solid dose. Once I got the GVG that all changed as far as freebase is concerned. I would certainly look into that. It is pricey, but super well worth the money for vaporizing freebase. The difference you'd notice would be night and day. Thumbs up


Hi,

Yes I have no doubt I'll be purchasing the GVG as well, the mouth hole on the classic does seem a bit small. I'm very fond of my classic thus far, though it does take some mastery of technique and controlled breathing. Like learning to play a little psychadelic oboe backwards, haha. I did have a wonderful breakthrough last night on one hit of my classic Very happy I wonder if the handcarved VGs have the same size mouth hole?

I also have a nice steel and rubber pipe with a large mouth hole, the pipe comes apart and can be rearranged in a variety of ways, and I discovered the VG's filter fits perfectly with the threads. Hmm...


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#9 Posted : 9/21/2012 10:37:58 PM

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This is my 2nd test experience with DMT freebase; 25mg vaporized in the late evening low-light setting of my bedroom. I meditated a bit prior, lit incense, and listened to one of my favorite online playlists called "Psybient" on the Songza app. I had a light meal earlier in the day and had no other drugs in my system.

After inhaling and exhaling the dose, the same strange numb excitation (paradox?) saturates my entire body. I focus on the environment of my room while seated on my bed to observe visual changes, I have a black bookcase across from the bed where I'm seated filled with my favorite literature, the words on the bindings of the books become unreadable and foreign, each letter a beautiful symbol but ultimately meaningless without a fixed reference and I'm struck by what a inadequate job verbal and written language does in communicating individual experience. I remember learning in college about how verbal language only encompasses maybe 15-20% of communication. Anyhow, I digress...

After watching the top and sides of the bookcase warp impossibly inward, I lay back and closed my eyes to see a similar sea of organic fractals writhing and spinning, akin to my first experience. Same intricate animal cell-like patterns of grays and browns with specks of primary color, except that this time each cell held a definite opened eye at its nucleus, tens of thousands (or hundreds of thousands?) of perfectly identical eyes staring at me. The music I was listening to at the time seemed to stretch and elongate into one drawn out note elevating to a soft ringing in my head. There was also a strange buzzing sound, lower in frequency, dancing around the room.

The writhing sea of eyes organized into a vortex and at the center of the vortex there grew the most gorgeous shade of electric blue in the distance. This formed into a silhouette of a humanoid figure where every hue and shade of blue was evaporating off of the figure like wisps of thin smoke. It appeared that the figure was "punched-out" of the eyeball-fractal space like a hole and the ethereal vapors were spilling in from another side. I was very much compelled to move towards it and explore what it was but the vortex soon closed and the blue silhouette figure was gone to my disappointment.

Then something shifted, like a new dimension of space a step up from 3D, and I was in a (4 dimensional?) cavern that was very large where two spaces occupied the same space (I know that makes no sense, but I suppose that is the problem with attempting to write objectively about a subjective experience, a lot of paradox and nonsensical ideas). Here the walls of the 3D "space" were the writhing eyeball-fractals and the walls or "essence" of this new 4D space had a pale-pinkish mucous membrane like appearance. There was a large creature or something that resided in this new space, of the same pinkish color as the cavern and I got the impression it was hiding via camouflage, sleeping, or else totally disinterested in me. I was unable to focus my awareness on it as the eyeball fractals pulled my full attention back to the fractal space and started "folding" in on themselves, consolidating eyes with each shift of folding in the sea of cells until just one rather horrifying eyeball remained staring at me with a half-lidded gaze. It was kind of like this one eye became the "head" in the sea of organic mass like a worm or snake and started to move towards me in a slow, drippy sort of way. I wanted nothing to do with this thing coming towards me! It seemed so alien and primal, neither malicious nor benign, but I instinctually rejected it for some reason. I was able to dissipate the eye consciously and it "smeared" and then I tried to open my eyes, becoming acutely aware of my breath. It seemed like I was seeing the environment of my room through my eyes by something was off, like I was seeing from a little off to the side of my real head.

So I kept my "eyes" open and became more aware of my body laying there on the bed, it felt like I was tethered to my body at the chest and neck, like the bottom half of me was flailing off to the side of my physical body and down inside the bed, and my head a little off to the right of my physical head. A very bizarre feeling and I was forcing myself to breath and feel my chest rise where I was "tethered". It kind of felt like maybe drowning would feel or being suffocated by a weight on my chest and neck. I felt that I would die if I didn't focus on breathing. I just kept forcing myself to breath.

As the dose subsided it became easier and easier to breath and I soon felt like I was wholly in my physical body again laying comfortable on the bed. I felt vibrantly alive and breathing felt exquisite and I had an invigorating body high the rest of the night.

-EM


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