So I'm thinking about restarting my aya explorations. This time I'm looking to go for a Caapi-only brew, mainly to discern the difference in effects. I've only had aya (caapi+viridis) once in the past, and I did feel something from just the caapi (took the viridis at T+~20), that is for sure.


For those who've treaded this path before, would you consider those caapi-only experiences instructive?

Am I right in assuming the visual component will be absent (read contradictory reports somewhere) ?

Finally, would you agree that a 50g dose, no vinegar/acid is enough to manifest interesting effects?

When I started working with white/yellow/red vine I would always overshoot slightly. Being that the rough standard seems to be 50g of vine, I tend to always use 75-80g. I'd personally go with more if I were you. It certainly wont hurt you to take more. More intense?...quite possibly.

That for me definitely was a full on experience with extreme dream like visions, heavy tracer-like effects open-eyed, and a self-reviewing type effect.

It can be pretty visual for me at doses of 75+ though. A definite entheogenic experience inandof itself.

I started low and worked my way up. For me, 50 grams of white caapi made me feel a bit dizzy and as if my body was buzzing / vibrating. It was at 100grams where I started to feel as if i was being sucked out of this reality... I was drifting in and out of sleep and felt mainly (with the bits I was conscious of) as if I was in a waking dream. No visuals to speak of, but a definate loss of identity and reality.

Do you have more than 50 grams on hand? if so, maybe you could prepare more and raise your dose until you find your sweet spot?

I think caapi-only is definitely instructive, so you see how it works by itself, and so you know the strenght of your particular caapi to later on have a good ratio between caapi/admixture.

Caapi strenght varies a lot, some caapi is very potent at 20g (not common but def possible), some you might need up to 100, but generally 50g is a good dose. I would NOT recommend you to take more than 50 for the first time. In fact I'd recommend taking less, like 30g or something. It's safer, and it's not like other drugs that if you don't take all at once it wont work.. With caapi/ayahuasca, you can just take some more later on and it will add up to what you took before (or you can smoke some DMT on top and the caapi will potentiate it).

When I say take 30 or so, I don't mean brew 30g... Better brew a bigger amount, say, 250g, and then take the equivalent of 30, and you have the rest for taking a bit more the same day or for other sessions. Store in the freezer if possible.

If you later want to take full ayahuasca wth DMT, I suggest that the dosage you stay at with caapi is when you clearly feel the caapi effects, light-headedness, maybe some tracers, light-sensitivity, a bit of dreamy-feeling, but not too much that you already have full blown visions and cant walk from being so dizzy. So when yuo fnd the dosage, you can brew the dmt-containing plant separately and add it to the caapi brew (better start low, specially if its hawaian chacruna, diplopterys cabrerana or mimosa hostilis). Later on when all of the brews are finished, since you will already know the dosage, you can brew both plants together if they are from same batch.

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Excellent information, thank you everyone

flowersniffer (lol, nice nickname!): I have >50gr at hand, yes. I'll do what endlessness suggested, brew a bigger amount and then divide it into smaller doses.

All the best for a good journey!