i have been reading bout kratom a bit and being a former opiate user i would like to try it but i am wondering if its worth trying to extract or just go with the tea. anyway i hear its soluble in alcohol and people are making tea with booze but would it matter if u used 99% isopropyl and did a thc extraction method? if anyone knows the most effective and efficient way to do this stuff please let me know

I tried it once. Some guy suckered me to buy it in a head shop in la. It was a total waste of money. It was like really low-grade pot.
I did find these though.
http://www.drugs-forum.c...m/showthread.php?t=70594
http://www.drugs-forum.c...m/showthread.php?t=77907

Hope it helps.

ya i guess there was a pile of bunk stuff on the market a while ago dunno if its still out there but, one of the alkaloids in it is said to be 17 times more powerful than morphine.....go figure. its gotta have some kinda punch to it, hell if its illegal in thailand where 10 yr old hookers run through the streets its gotta have some good effects

I like kratom very much aswell. I prefer the malaysion strain.

I looked into extractions myself and didn't find a whole lot. Theres a little bit, on Danielsiebert sute "sage wisdom". I plan on growing some ....so i'm interested in enhacing.

I will list in the supplier thread, the best,most reliable w/ the most variety of different potency and strains of kratom that i continuesly purchase from....Head shops is not the route to go.

....check out the supplier section

.....Also there is a basic tek to make kratom resin from plain leaf but i have to find it first.It's very simple.

I'll post it when i find it.

I just cant stand the taste of the resins.

I mssed it but it looks like wisewolf already posted the resin tek.

so do you just drink the tea with leaves or do ya prefer the extracts? is it worth the effort to try and extract? is lemon juice in the tea recipe you use? i hear it gets more alks out how do ya find the effects compared to opiates? if youve done them

just grind the leaves to a fine consistency and dump it onto the back of your tongue and swallow down with a drink of something. it really doesnt taste bad at all, and the effects from plain leaf(aslong as it's of good quality) are superior to those of extracts.

ya but for an opiate like dosage i hear you need 10 g's +. thats a lot o leaf to swallow and is it better to just take the whole leaf of does the extract take the good stuff out

For someone that has experience w/ opiates. The first time i took 10 -15mg of the kratom resin and made it into a tea (tastes disgusting)....i was on a serious nod. Very much like opium effects (very dream like state).

I also like the extracts...simply because i dont like the taste,so when i consume 250x or 89% alk., i need to consume much,much less (a shotglass worth)

It definately effects people differently.....i tend to feal as if my opiate receptors have been somewhat desensitized from my previous opiate addiction and it takes a little more kratom, for me to get my desired effects.

also... some kratom species give slightly different effects...like the "Oxindole" which is thai and it has more of an energertic/opiate feal.....where as the bali kratom tends to be more of a sedative type opiate high..imo.

If your trying it out for the first time i would recommend trying some enhanced bali leaf , put it in a teaball , weigh how much you used and gauge the effects.

If you find that it doesnt get you to the level that you want, then you can add more or try a different extract.

I'm unable to find the 250x anymore but .3mg would have me feeling quite nice and i didnt need to consume a whole lot. there are some vendors offering 89% alk content(which is probably the strongest on the mkt right now...unless someone know's something else)

I would get some enhanced leaf,weigh it and make it into a tea (it absorbes in your blood faster,rather than eating it...yuk), you can alway's try extracting later.

SWIM got some of that 50% alkaloid extract and ate a small ball just like the little balls of opium he'd eaten before. He wasn't able to sleep all night and had a very sore liver for about a week afterward. Wasn't too impressed with that 50% alkaloid extract. Did enjoy tea made from some extract leaf powder. Didn't taste so bad and did have a noticeable calming effect.

Hmm swim thinks swim may have done it wrong too. He bought the extract and smoked it. He bought it without knowing much on it and the head shop guy said to smoke it. Swim never did much research because he tried H before but didnt like it. He perfers consciousness expanding alkaloids.

It tends to keep me up at night aswell.... i wont drink it after 5pm (cut off time..for me)

Most smokeable kratom extract i have seen, use another herb as a "carrier"...like damania, i dont like the smokeable extracts.

the extract that looks like opium is kratom resin which would'nt be good to eat but rather put in you're mouth and suck on....that could be the reason memo had liver aches (you can also make the resin pies into teas), i just cant stand the taste of the resin. (kratom king has resin pies).

Personally....as i wrote before, i will just get some enhanced bali leaf or powder and fill a tea ball.
I'll then do it two more times with the already used tea (3 infusions). You can buy 100 g for $ 30.

If you find reliable vendors and consume it correctly,kratom will give you very opium like effects.

Most headshops have shit kratom that is overpriced.

i love kratom. i use it daily, but i use capsules. i have tried all extracts, and find they are all a waste of money. many people try the extracts and assume that kratom is useless. many people try to smoke it and find it is useless. i tried smoking it when i first got interested. did nothing. my advice is go with regular grade powdered "indo" kratom ( a quarter kilo for 50 - 75 bucks on ebay ) and get a little capsule machine (10 on ebay) with some 00 capsules (1000 of them for 10 bucks). i take 5-8 grams at a time, sometimes with a little diphenhydramine before hand. very opiate like. just like taking a some hydrocodone. a 00 capsule holds 600 mg of material. i take 8 or 9 capsules about twice a day usual doseage. i have been using it for about 6 months now no adverse reactions whatsoever.

Actually, i have a very bad back (4 bulging discs, bad scoliosis) and this works WONDERS for my pain. i have more energy, and i look forward to more things, instead of dreading them because of pain and fatigue. i have tried the major suppliers (IAS BBB KTB, etc.) and find that regular indo kratom powdered on ebay from "exjordanary" is by far best bang for your buck. like i said extracts, resins, smoking, etc generally does not work nearly as good, unless you have a confirmed good quality source for the "resin pies" these are full spectrum with my understanding.

also if you do some research you will find that kratom contains several other alkaloids that have anti-inflammatory, anti-oxidant, and many many other properties. It is my opinion that reports of health problems linked to kratom are from extracts, which maybe have toxic residues or something else in them. reports for health with plain leaf powdered are almost non-existent, even prolonged daily use for decades.

edit: however if you must find some sort of extract, go for 7-OHM. it may be the only one "worth it" it is 7-hydroxymitragynine. this is that morphine-like alkaloid. but, price per dose will end up being far more than finding some prescription pain pills that will work just as good and cost less. i have also heard that this alkaloid is very difficult to isolate, and is not water soluble.

I happen to like the extracts if you find a reliable vendor.

I found the 7-OHM to be very over rated, overpriced and it isnt water soluble...i wouldn't waste my $ there.

Hands down the most reliable vender i have found is speciosa specialists. you can buy 100g of superfine bali leaf for $34. Cant beat that....plus if you google: "speciosa specialist coupons", you'll end up saving money. Everytime i oreder their 100g bags they usually throw in an xtra 20g in each bag.

dwhitty76 will definitely give that a try when it comes time.... thank you!

Kratom is pretty strong unrefined so I'd say that extracts are a waste of money. What SWIM doesn't like about kratom is that in higher doses it makes him very forgetful and, well, he feels like a bit of an idiot blabbering on and dancing around like that. Lower doses are a nice pick-me-up though.

Extraction suggestion: as the goodies come out in the tea, couldn't you just simmer it for an hour, then take out the spent leaf and reduce the resultant tea. Once it's almost completely gone and only a goo remains, take it off before it burns and let the remaining water evaporate? Would that work? That's pretty much just evaporating tea.

i don't see why that would not work. you should get a resin with the potency of the amount of material you used to make the brew. then i suppose you would just re-dissolve that into another cup of tea or suck on it. probably wouldn't taste too good.... all the plant oils and such. if anybody has a tek or an idea on extracting something worth the process i would surely give it a try.

That would work....the only thing i would do differently is not get rid of the spent leaf after one cook...because at that point their is still good alks there. Fot a higher potency...i would do 3 cookss with the leaf (3 different brews) and then reduce.

Sometmes if i'm lazy, i'll just fill up a big teaball with crushed bali leafs and make one tea and dink it and do it two more times with the same leaf......the only downside to doing that is that i usually have to pee a lot

Yeah the thing about using the leaf is it's hard to make a tea when you're out and about. A few times swim took some out with him and poured it in his beer, it worked but his beer looked dodgy and he got bits in his teeth.
Having a little lump of something in your pocket would prove very handy for 1am on a saturday night.

aye,aye,aye.....i cant even imagine what beer mixed with kratom tastes like.

I like the kratom/kava mixture