Hello all.

I had some rough mushroom trips that, in turn, made me afraid to consume DMT for a couple months, but I want to get back into it. I would like to ease into it with some changa or possibly sublingual harmalas and vaped dmt. Or even just oral harmalas by themselves as I've never tried them at all.

I take kratom a few times a week for lower back pain, 3 grams per day. I know mixing kratom directly with MAOIs seems to be a big no go, but I was wondering how long after my last kratom dose would it be safe for the harmalas? And then how long after the harmalas would the kratom be safe to use?

Sorry for the newb question. I would just rather look dumb then end up injuring myself.

Also, one last unrelated question. What would the shelf life be of some changa I made back in december? Its been kept in a glass corked jar in the dark at room temp. Still any good?

i like to have at least 24 hours in between the two, but 12 seems safe. I had a terrible experience where i took a small dose of kratom after the effects of ayahuasca wore off, resulting in hours of the worst nausea and headaches imaginable. i have taken kratom the next day after drinking aya the night before with no ill effects. Basically just dont use the two on the same day and you'll be fine.

My personal experience is a bit contrary to evil's, as I have taken up to two and a half teaspoons or maybe more without any big negative side-effects. Other than of course the fact that they honestly don't complement each other too well. I take kratom like gory for extreme back pain due to a broken metal rod in my spine. Honestly if I didn't have kratom right now I would need to be on a pharmaceutical opioid, and sometimes when I trip with a MAOI I need to take kratom at some point towards the end of the trip. But yeah, nothing bad - I don't even really notice any potentiation.

I don't really recommend mixing the two I guess, there's nothing preferable either way about mixing it - they're both great but not really awesome together.