In the course my adventures across America, dimitri has challenged me again again.

One of the more curious aspects of these tests, are ideas concerning the devil and god and all the problems we encouter with those beliefs.

I had many trips, where I met all sorts of pagan gods and huge menacing creatures, michivevious elves... None of them totally good or evil, just sort of neutral and humorious. like us humans.

they communicated with me and told me I had been tricked. That what we consider to be "God" was actually the devil, and lucifer was the more powerful god when we are on earth.
It wasn't a dark feeling I got from this luciferian entity. Rather one of childlike fun, an earth spirit, pure desire and fun, and knowledge of good and evil. A feeling of being in the garden of eden and partaking of the fruit from the tree.

Later I gave DMT to a stranger, and he told me he had a message for me , that I was "stepping on gods toes" by giving dmt to people, and that if I wanted to stop now, I had one last chance to stop, and I could flush the dmt down the toilet and never mention it again.

Then he gave me a look in my eyes with huge dialated pupils and stuck out his hand. He said "if you want to serve lucifer then shake my hand !" I wouldn't do it. and he started to freak out. When he was sober I made him leave.

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Has anyone experienced anything like this? its super far out, but i don't think anyone wants to serve the devil haha

It's funny i was thinking something like this last week. God is supposed to be the good guy but you look at the misery and death that has been caused by god and his religions. Or if you read the bible just look at all the people god killed!! I don't think there's a line in the bible that mentions that the devil or lucifer killed anyone, correct me if i'am wrong?

So the good guy does all the killing and the bad guy might tempt you to do something but that's about it. What a farce LOL.

I finally broke through for the first time this past Thursday. I ended up in a big grey box and inside the box was a person with a goat head (Baphomet). I automatically assumed it was lucifer. I didn't feel any fear from it. As soon as I got out of the trip I thought the same thing like, what if that was the real god any the society we live in is trying to make him/her seem like an evil god (Satan). The entity didn't try to communicate with me. It just appeared and was walking toward me. Im still trying to interoperate what it means.

http://www.urantia.org/urantia-...per-53-lucifer-rebellion




Thought this would help. It's easy to have misconceptions about this. I take it all with a grain of salt but this is the closest to what I can consider truth. Keep in mind Jerry Garcia was an avid Urantia book reader, as well as Jimi Hendrix. It's a beautiful book that was supposedly written through a subject who in a trance channeled entities from the spirit world. If you like this chapter I highly recommend reading as much as you can available free on their site or getting copy for your self. I consider it an important read for someone traveling the spirit world.

One must see the darkness before they truly appreciate the light

Wait, you gave dmt to a stranger, and while he was tripping on it he said that to you? Why would you give it to a stranger?

If you look up urantia on google you see the urantia people parading the fact that all these celebrities were supposedly "all about" urantia. To me it's a clearly over-hyped exaggeration by the urantia movement to try and lend themselves some credibility.

It was the 60's and 70's, Jimi Hendrix and Jerry Garcia read lots of strange things I'm sure.
Jerry Garcia supposedly read the whole 2000+ page book because legend has it you get a visit from 3 little old ladies when your finished reading it...he said "the old ladies never came and he was disappointed by it. The rest is here say.

Jimi Hendrix also wanted to start and Electric Church and there are many clear references in his lyrics in support of god. The Grateful Dead also make tons of blatant references to the divine and they sing a gospel song about Jesus in a very heart-felt manor.

The other point I would like to make is that "Lucifer" is a name that has been invented and is the result of a flagrant mis-translation..

-I have certainly encountered a being that calls himself Satan and he is no mighty rebel and that is for sure. He is a predator plain and simple.

As far as urantia goes IMO, I believe it to be pure nonsense. Michael is a hebrew name that means "who is greater than god?" and refers to an angel, Christ is a greek name that would not have even existed before the earth began. To assert that there is some Godlike figure named Christ Michael is laughably absurd from an entymological standpoint.

There is a saying, it goes: "Satan is the author of confusion"

IMO this saying applies to Urantia and also to the idea that "Lucifer" is some rebellious hero where as YHWH is some type of overlord villain.

I never heard before about Urantia...I already search it the web and it impressed me a lot...There is a beautiful hand that pushes me to the rigth path. Thank you ntwhtyouknw

Before you discredit it entirely I would have to ask you to give it a chance, it sounds a bit like you know someone who read it or perhaps wiki'd it and are making assumptions. The chapter I posted is quite fitting to the op questions. I must admit that I thought it would help spark an interest by stating famous readers of it. The 3 little ladies bit sounds bogus to me as well, I've actually never heard it, but I have studied the urantia book for a few years and its beyond me how someone could write it, not for credibility or profit not to mention the book is insanely well written and builds in a way that lends credibility inherently. The Christ/Michael story exists outside of the Book of Urantia as well and there are a couple of versus in the bible that seem to be telling this also, I'll go into with you but I don't want to derail the thread, this link is a great read for the op or anyone interested. I have to point out Michael is the only Arch Angel arch meaning highest Angel meaning messenger so highest messenger. Jesus Christ is his earthly name which the book makes clear the difficulty in conveying this message in our language. Also about the name of Michael your right it means "who is like god" its important to remember how many times questions like this are purely rhetorical all throughout the bible.

I like to think of Lucifer as Mother Nature's scalpel, shaving away, revealing the beauty in all things. I see "evil" as a misunderstood necessity; a polarity that must exist to show the light.

Remember that the air is never so sweet, nor thy wife so comely, nor thy child so beautiful, as after the battle won. We depend upon our enemy for the sweetness of our lives. Love your enemy, for he is your best friend. Without the darkness, we would never know the glory of the firmament.

I think lucifer will be forgiven, that is why we are still here, waiting for him to come to his senses. His sin was not believing in god, and I believe he will see the truth and be forgiven.

Its all a part of one design.

Who are we to judge whats good or evil? Its just been created by our species and does not exsist in the other worlds

What? dude why would you give DMT to a stranger? I dont understand this..

So you got some random stranger to come to your house to trip out with you and they claimed to be the devil?

Something about all this is just weird man.

And...... Welcome to the nursery! Be sure to read the Attitude!

-a1pha

How is not believing in god a sin? If there is a god that punishes people for not believing in it and that god is an arrogant prick. I want no part of that.

You truly believe in the devil and sin? Some apocalyptic battle in the heavens between good and evil? The very idea of it is just way too far out for me to even consider.

And wasn't this lucifer one of gods angels before being cast to hell? How could he not believe in something he used to be part of? That is if i remember the dogmatic story of the bible correctly.

God is Lucifer and Lucifer is God. They are the same. There is darkness within light and light within darkness.

"Lucifer, the Light-bearer! Strange and mysterious name to give to the Spirit of Darkness! Lucifer, the Son of the Morning! Is it he who bears the Light, and with its splendors intolerable, blinds feeble, sensual, or selfish souls? Doubt it not!" Albert Pike, Morals and Dogma of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry, p. 321, 19th Degree of Grand Pontiff.

Albert identifies Lucifer being the devil, or Satan, as men's belief in order to explain evil


Also my favourite Meta-physical author and world-wide healer Stuart Wilde, explains this concept extremely well. And has even had the opportunity to come face to face with this misunderstood energy.


BUT we should respect everyones opinions no matter what they are. Who am I too judge

How is not believing in god a sin? If there is a god that punishes people for not believing in it and that god is an arrogant prick. I want no part of that.



You truly believe in the devil and sin? Some apocalyptic battle in the heavens between good and evil? The very idea of it is just way too far out for me to even consider.

And wasn't this lucifer one of gods angels before being cast to hell? How could he not believe in something he used to be part of? That is if i remember the dogmatic story of the bible correctly.


I understand that for a lot of people this is offensive, but the people who are usually offended usually aren't even getting the story.
I usually hear that same bits and pieces from people who won't even take the time to listen to or read it themselves.


OM I do believe in lucifer, and Jamie I believe sin is an illusion, the only sin is lack of love like where the bible says god cannot exist where there is sin translates love cannot exist where there is fear. Sin is actually just the opposite of love which is truth. I believe that none of the angels have direct access to the true source of all things which is god and only the being that is described as gods son had access. Lucifer believed in life and death and rebirth being inherent in all beings regardless of a god he couldn't see and thought this son was lieing to keep control of the universe. So lucifer convinced a third of heaven to come with him, so the son had no choice but to shut our universe off from the rest of heaven like a spiritual breaker box, because even lucifer had free will he wasn't aloud to stop it. That is why we suffer here not because of god I believe it is our own creation, and gods son is taking his time in hopes that lucifer will ask to be forgiven.