Hi..

Now that all SWIMS mimmosa Extract is done he thought of making abit of changa

he read there is one called Ayahuasca Android, which is 70%Caapi + 30% Chaliponga..

so he got here now

50gr Banisteriopsis Caapi Qurinhos
20gr Chaliponga
80 gr Passion Flower..

SWIM thought he could start right away, but now he reads that he has to soak the Caapi first to 10x
only the Caapi or the other herbs as well???
he also read he has to soak them for 2-3 weeks in some IPA, and reduce it to 10x
isn't there a faster way???
and when SWIM wants to put in some Passionflower as well, shall i reduce the percentage of Caapi or Chaliponga to replace with Passionflower??
Does anybody has a "relatively" fast TEK for changa inkl the reduction to Caapi 10x???
i am fairly new to this and cannot answer all his questions. but as all of SWIMsp revious freebase extractions went well, he thought of trying doing some changa..and he noticed its no Caapi Leaves, it looks rather like shreddered bark... any advice for a good fast result for him..?

SWIM thought of using 1 gr freebase for the beginniing..

Your caapi doesn't need to be 10x for your changa to be effective. The freebase is doing most of the work.

just brew 30-50g of banisteriopsis caapi and drink it if you don't wanna wait any longer. Then smoke freebase or enhanced leaves once the effect kicks in.

Since you already got chaliponga just make plain enhanced leaf, something like .5-.75g chaliponga and .5g spice. I never bother with 10x myself - too much hassle.

From personal experience though chaliponga as base makes absolutely brutal combo for me... 3/3 trips I had with plain chaliponga enhanced leaf kicked my ass badly...

Well, thx for the answers...

but i would like to make a little Change for me in charge... so, just drinking the brew wont do it for me..

Easy and quick 10x caapi:

1. Boil 10 grams of caapi in a stainless steel pot with enouh water to cover the leaves, for 30 minutes.

2. Strain the leaves out and retain the water and leaves.

3. Repeat steps 1 and 2 two more times with freash water.

4. Add 1 gram of caapi to the pot with all the caapi tea you saved from the first three steps.

5. Simmer off most of the water then let the rest evaperate. (A fan helps alot)

6. Scrape up the 10x cappi.

This works very well, however it will pull alot more plant gunk than the 30 day soak in IPA. I've done a week long soak in IPA in an air tight jar placed on top of a food dehyrdator. It got very dark after two days and didn't get any darker. I think if you heat the IPA it pulls much quicker. My 10x caapi from the IPA heated pull is very nice. I'll make it like that in the future. Or I might just freebase some harmalas from Rue.

Thx.. will try tomorrow


What about the Chaliponga and the Passion Flower??, can that all be put together in the water and boilddown?? and i heard to put some binegar to the water.. is that necceessary??

Vinegar isn't needed to pull the harmalas, water will do just fine.

I'm pretty sure that you could put the Chaliponga in and it would pull every thing. I haven't done that though.

Passion Flower is a very weak MAOI and most people around here seem to think it's a waste of money/effort. With that being said it might make a nice herb to add as a base for evaporating the harmalas and dmt on. I like soft smoking blends.

As for an easy to get herb that is pretty good in smoking blends, I like mint! When you exhale mint smoke it's like it has a cooling effect on the throat. Just go to a garden store and pick up a little plant. My next blend is going to be 1g DMT, 1g Mint, and some amount of harmalas. I still haven't decided how much I want to add. I might make two smaller batches with different amounts of harmalas.

Good luck with your 10X. Remember by boiling it you are going to get a lot more plant gunk and that means a worse ratio of harmalas to weight. It also means that it's going to be harsher than a 10x made from a 30 day soak of IPA. Be sure to try out both! You have enough to make two kinds. Heck you could even try and extract some FB harmalas from a 3rd batch.

Water is a great solvent when using caapi leaves to make a 10x base for your changa.

I would ONLY USE the caapi leaves in the boiling process.

Once you have your 10x Caapi leaves prepared you may then add your chaliponga and passion flower.

You are adding some spice to this, right?

were you planning on a 1:1 ratio?

After you have made the 10x caapi and it is dry combine your other leafy material and infuse that mixture with your DMT using 91%< IPA or other solvent.

means a worse ratio of harmalas to weight.


thx..
but what do you mean by that??
i think i just take a cooking pot now. through in 15 gr Caapi Vine, 5 gr Chaliponga and 5 gr of Passionflower..

throwing that reduced in a small bowl, put 1-1.5 gr good taste weed in there, some IPA to the mixture and let it evap then....

should work, shouldt nt it..
I don't like the changa to be so sticky.. i prefer a more Fluffy Version...
btw... does the boiling down caapi cchaliponga small whike cooking??

i just found this on the internet, for ratrher cheap price,,,, it's a "Resin Extract"
Damiana Resin Extract 25x Superpotent

would that work as well for making Changa=?

cheers

Well, i thought of not making exactly 1:1.. i wanted to use arund 1.2 : 0.8 Spice ratio

why not enhancing the Chalipponga to 5x and the Passion flower as well, as you said Passionfloweer might be a weak one, why not enhancing this as well?
And the Chaliponga leaves are quite huge, so not wouldn't an extract be the better choice then?

I guess I could have said that better. Lets say you have 10 grams of caapi with a set amount of harmalas in it. Lets also say that both the boiling and IPA soak methods extract 100% of the harmalas. With the boiling method you will also pull a lot more plant matter with means that your 10x will be heavier with the same amount of harmalas in it as the IPA soak. Thus if you used 250mg of the boiled 10x then you won't have the same amount of harmalas as if you used 250mg of the IPA 10x.

I'm not sure how much more plant matter you get with boiling than you get with IPA. All I know is that the boiled 10x, when it's still liquid, is almost black very opaque and the IPA liquid is dark green and translucent.

It's just some thing to keep in mind if you find a mix you really like and then try to recreate it with a different method of making the 10x.

ok.. i hhave now 20 gr caapi vine and 5 gr of ChalipongA in acooking pot with water... will cook this for 3 hours, which means i permanently have to put a little bit more water into...

My thought ist in the end , cooking 3 times for 30 min with about 250 ml water.
after 30 min filling the teawater n a jar,
boil a 2nd time, put the water in the same jar.
boil 3rd time 30 min, which will be a plannnd endliquid of 500 ml teawater..in there i will cook some weed, as long as no liquid left...
then i gonna throw that into a small jar with IPA and some dissolved Spice in it, swirling around, and let a bit soak,, then layout for drying...
should that work?
or shall i first reduce the teawater to a very low amount and then throw the weed in..

Take a small amount of IPA and dissolve a gram of DMT into it. Then take a gram of your caapi/herb mixture and mix it in. Set the container with the caapi/her/dmt in front of a fan and let all of the IPA evaporate.

You want close to a 1:1 ratio of DMT to your caapi/herb mixture. This will allow you take a dose in a few puffs.

I find making 1:1 or close to it, more preferable. Easy to measure, more precise & less to smoke to get where you want. I've had very little FB experience, mostly just started with Changa, and love it.