So, SWIM had finally managed to create some DMT from a MHRB through a STB tek and ended up with crystals of near white color. Having been waiting for months and months for this opportunity to finally arise he and his best friend decided to give it a go around.

We didn't really have the means to smoke it in a pure form without burning or wasting it so what we did was sprinkle a light layer of weed a top about 50mgs of DMT in a piece. SWIM let his friend go first, prepared to pull the lighter and piece from him should he drop it. Drop he did, for he seemed to have a glorious first encounter with the material. He told SWIM of a glorious cathedral made entirely of deep red glass roses and of a door of light at the very top of it all that he was fastly approaching. However, he thinks that he might not have had quite enough because right before he was about to breakthrough in this experience he flew straight back into his body, but his body was tingling with energy and he looked very obviously happy.

Not wanting to waste any time SWIM measured out the same amount and took a hit himself. The experience...to say the least was very intense as instantly his body became swept up in this intense experience. He saw an endless sea of patterns and beautiful fractals. However as things started to progress further these fractals disappeared behind what SWIM could only describe as a nuclear bomb made of pure lightning and at this point SWIM felt as through his nerves were starting to fry as the images and visuals started to become nonsensical and chaotic verging on disturbing before SWIM came out of it.

Our experiences were very different...but nonetheless SWIM wasn't really deterred from wanting to trying it more fully again at some point in the future. However, that future came the next day, and without doubt had been one of the most grueling experiences SWIM has ever had.

SWIM had just gotten off work at about 2 in the afternoon and realized he didn't have work again until 6 that evening. Realizing that he had so much time he figured it seemed reasonable to believe that he could fully recover long before he had to head back out. He doses himself slightly higher than the time before 65mgs and used weed again to cover it. Before he took the hit he focused very hard on where he wanted to go and possibly what he wanted to achieve (SWIM realizes that it was pretty incredibly stupid to do something like this by himself when SWIM was so inexperienced). He took a long deep hit, the caustic feeling fumes almost overwhelming his lungs and let it all out at once. The world within his room instantly began to melt and looked as though rather that everything had been painted using pastels. This was only the beginning though as SWIM felt like he was about to be projected into hyperspace, but at the very last second everything reversed...he felt as though something from hyperspace or perhaps all of hyperspace had been catapulted into himself instead. Only, this was a giant mass of deeply festering chaotic energies or hate, death, animosity, malice, or essentially every single negative feeling you could imagine times 100! And it was all attacking SWIM from the insides. SWIM felt as though he was brings ripped apart and then at the same time felt like his entire existence was being blended with this demonic experience. All the while SWIM was still in his room or at least...around his room. At the end of the 40 MINUTES of this experience SWIM felt as though he had been raped spiritually and SWIM's heart still weighs down heavily.

SWIM is not sure what lead this all to happening. SWIM felt NOTHING spiritual or "more" than having a substance very brutally fuck him up. In a way, SWIM could best describe his experience as the heading of this post, a horrible and complete opposite to anything SWIM could imagine DMT to be. SWIM felt as though he had opened the door to something immensely dark and destructive and whatever it was took full advantage of the moment. SWIM understood after this experience why anyone with a history of mental illness would be utterly screwed if they experienced this for SWIM's mind was at the very brink of snapping and could very literally feel his mind and presence be consumed with this dark festering chaos. Is this possibly because of the weed layered on top? Somehow producing a bad batch? Or is this just how SWIM's body and soul handles this substance?

It happened because DMT ain't all flowers and sunshine

65mg is a lot of DMT if it vapes properly, and since it was only your second time your still trying to find your feet, maybe drop your dosage back down and start to build up your relationship with the molecule.

Hyperslaps are all part of the experience, give yourself a while to integrate this experience and then dip your toes back in the psychedelic waters.

Basically sounds like a panic attack. I would strongly suggest that you be careful with that stuff. It is not a toy, or "something cool" that can be messed about with for fun, it is something that deservs the utmost of respect.

In my humble opinion: if I were you, I would take a break and think about my previous experience. After I sort of "integrated" the experience (if it is ever possible to fully "integrate" a DMT experience at all ), I would continue much lower... perhaps at 20 mg... and then I would work my way up slowly (25, 30...)... if necessary.

Terence McKenna spoke a lot about "heoric doses of Mushrooms". I don´t recall him ever talking about "heroic doses of DMT".

I personally think that taking very large doses of DMT without A LOT of previous experience (depending, of course, on your personal tolerance etc...) is not "heroic", but - please forgive my sincere but friendly opinion - unwise ;-)

In other words: if you decide to check DMT-hyperspace ever again, go with the suggested dosage ;-)

I would have to agree that you took too much.....

I would suggest trying around the 20mg mark if that does not work try eating some mushrooms or harmalas or both and then smoking 10-15mg. The mushrooms and/or harmalas may make your DMT trip more colorful and also smoother.

I have actually never attempted to smoke more than 30-40mg in a single sitting..and I have smoked DMT hundreds of times.

Sounds like you opened a huge dimensional door and some hungry dark entity (or entities) took advantage of it. Did you see anything? Or just felt the negative emotions?

It's not your DMT, and it's not the cannabis you smoalked it with. It is the nature of the drug itself.


Seems to me to be more along the lines of your average Hyperslap. When we get wound up in preconception or caught up in desire and do not maintain ourselves at a stable center, we can let many things rollercoaster away from us and our judgement suffers. It seems to me that DMT often tends to bring these imbalances back into order. Sometimes these experiences can clear the head and relieve tension, like a pleasant release of energy or an intense purge... Sometimes it's something else entirely.

This is why it can be very important to be mindful of yourself and your state of mind. If you launch from a position of calm mindfulness, the experience is much different in almost every way than if you launch from an excited state of mind in which you are too focus on particular things to be aware of the entirety of what's going on. If you build up and hold a lot of energy before you take the hit, it will manifest itself in the experience. It may turn out that that energy was not something you really want made manifest, or it may turn into something altogether horrible.

Psychedelic means "Mind Manifesting". These drugs make manifest to your senses the goings on within your mind, both conscious and unconscious, and do many other things as well. Your negative experience can easily be avoided in the future by simply paying attention to your surroundings and paying attention to yourself. You can then determine whether or not it's honestly in your best interest to go forth from there or to save your drugs and effort for a better time.

Thank you all for your insightful responses

Although still somewhat perturbed on the whole of the experience, I have not altogether discounted using it again. There will definitely be a very slow and gradually increased approach. Not to say that anything could really prepare me for a breakthrough experience, but perhaps if then through this process I only see myself heading in the same direction previously I'll be going through some major re-evaluation of myself.

I never went into this with any negativity aside from trying to brace myself mentally for what was to come, but from what I can tell it seems I just simply won't understand how the slightest of things can affect a trip until experienced for oneself.

In truth, DMT itself was never really my end goal for what I've hoped to achieve through this very special substance. Ayahuasca is truly what I feel I am meant to embark upon and while I've read that it really is night and day between the two I can't help but shudder at the thought of experience what I did earlier but instead extended over the course of a whole day

-Okash


EDIT: Also, to answer the question, I never had any visuals distinct enough to where I could claim to have seen an entity, but at the same time the feeling of what was ravaging me at the time certainly had an unmistakable presence of something outside of myself.

One time I smoked DMT without really expecting to get high at all. I took the hit thinking for some reason it would not work. The DMT did a minor ass kicking, you could say. I felt my world just start to bloat and breath. And everything was fairly dark. After the trip I felt worn out, scared, and my heart (as you said) felt very heavy. I was scared to do it again. I was scared hyperspace had rejected me.

But this just comes from too much confidence and little experience I think, DMT will kick you ass

So! As an update!

There has been much experimenting in refining the quality of the DMT to fluffy white crystals and since there is still nothing other than a piece available SWIM has melted down around 65 mgs of this into changa and then split that three ways into 15mg, 20mg, and 30mg doses roughly

SWIM has noticed a remarkable improvement in the quality and smoothness of the smoke compared to his first bout which was sandwiched with weed. Also, because of the greatly lower quantity involved the effects are somewhat controllable to deal with. Unfortunately however, each time SWIM increases the dose he notices that it just begins to drift off into the same horrible domain (albeit more tame). What SWIM notices is that at the initial onset there is a hint of something beautiful as an awareness of what lays beyond out reality begins to form, but that is as far as the beauty goes since from then on it begins to twist and morph into something quite foul. SWIM knows this is really random but in the sound and feeling of the sound in this clip http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvIq5TrPfJ0 at 2:55 is nearly exactly what things begin to morph towards.

SWIM approaches every encounter respectfully. Meditating prior to enter a deeper and truer state of mind, but still SWIM can't help but begin to wonder if maybe something within his psyche just refuses to integrate successfully with DMT.

Any comments?

This is a very complex issue. I think you understand now that this is really not a toy. Everyone who gets into this seems to get something like this occasionally. It's from several things potentially, but I think a key issue is being centered. I have noticed lately that I get much better results when I actively tell myself just before and during "stay aware of what's happening". I also often ask if I really want such a tremendum and hyperspace exploding into wherever I am right then... sometimes the answer is yes, sometimes no... because it is really such a big thing, I don't need or want it all the time.

Never do it flippantly. Even if your general intentions are pure, the specific question "why now?" MUST be answered. Why are you going into that churning mess RIGHT NOW?

It helps me anyway. If you come across a nasty entity tell him to GTFO of your face, that helps sometimes but you have to believe in yourself for it to work, because of course all the jinn are mindreaders

I have been on this forum for just over a year, and in that time I seen many many threads where newcomers load up the maximum recommended dose, or more, and have a hellish experience.

I think more needs to be done to communicate to newcomers that this is a VERY dangerous idea, not physically, granted, but psychically and spiritually, very much so. The power of DMT really has to be experienced to be believed, but doses of 20mg if vaporised correctly will do that for the average, non-freakishly hard headed user.

Okasha - out of interest, what made you choose such a dose? Did you think this would be the only way you would break through? What made you decide to load up an even larger dose the next day? 15mg more is not 'slightly more' as I'm sure you now realise. You may well have triggered some psychic trauma, resulting in dark / hard experiences even at lower dosages.

One of the missions of this site is harm reduction is it not? I think more can be done to warn folks from making such mistakes. Anrchy's dosage guide is a good step in the right direction, and I'm sure the Wiki has some gems too, but maybe a warning in the welcome PM or something is in order?

Okasha, I hope you're ok man, DMT has a lot to offer, both 'good' and 'bad' - it is a wild beast that will take you where it wants, so please be careful!

Much love x

Great point. I couldn't agree more. Even if you are just going in to "look around", you should be prepared to defend yourself. There are a lot of other things in there and not all of them have any regard for your well being.

wow thanks for the share. i am new with all trips being sweet. I do bring a lot of yoga and Tibetin Buddhist practice to the scene. I want to say this if my protectors get a hold of that rapist they will kick the sh*t out of it for you. There are great talks online for tantra deity practice you might find help full for building relationships with protectors.
when you channel the white light you are more power full than any big baddy,your protectors will show you this

Lol. way to dive into the deep end with no swimming lessons...

What this is, is a classic case of plant intelligence. Its been proven a lot this year that plants communicate (google Plants communicate) with each other....the superior plants can slap you around for disrespecting them. IE taking 3x the normal dose. This isn't aspirin this is the spice of the gods lol. Every once in a while some one needs to be humbled and well your swim my friend got pimp slapped by ms.mimosa.

My trips are very pleasant, on average, but the shear infinite abstraction and unpredictability of it still scares the jimjam out of me just before and during the experience. From my experience, the key to getting over the tendency for bad trips like yours is resolving to accept whatever comes at you which is, of course, an invaluable skill in life in general.

Just out of curiosity, what other psychedelics have you used before DMT?