I hate to make you repeat yourself but I just want to be certain here on your technique. You pile a big mound of Freebase Harmalas on top of White Sage? Are you straight up burning the freebase with your lighter flame or are you letting the lighter "lick" the Harmala's. The reason I ask is because Ive heard people talk about proper technique a lot and you seem to just be burning or combusting the Harmalas instead of vaporizing it?

Obviously, I can't speak for ۩, but harmaline's melting point is 234°C, which is MUCH higher than the melting point of DMT.
So even if you're vaporizing it, you'll need much more heat than for standard vaporization (DMT and weed).

Just did an experiment with changa 2 days ago.
Instead of using concentrated caapi leaves (w/ water and vinegar), I used some shredded red caapi vine, with a ratio of 2:3 DMT:caapi.
The changa flu was completely gone, didn't feel anything bad at all, it was just wonderful !

Hi there,

I have just completed my first rue extract and pleased with the results. By chance I started reading up on harmala only experiences but can't find much info on it. All I read somewhere was that injestion is similar to shrooms/lsd and significantly stronger than just Syrian Rue seeds and I found nothing on smoking it.

I wondered if someone could enlighten me some on the effects. Rue seeds I find extremely mild (though never nauseous) even with 6 or 7 grams. I wasn't planning on using it alone, but now I am somwhat curious.

Thanks

Man, that's good to hear. Perhaps I will try it again via your method

Yeah, smoking acetates is unpleasant. Probably good for oral dosage but a freebase (harmalas or DMT) will vaporize more readily.

if your harmalas have excess base in them, it will irritate your throat and lungs and youll end up with a wheeze perhaps worse.....

if youre going to smoke fb make sure to wash them in water a few times



i pack 50 mg or so and cough most of it out, but im fairly zonked in a maoi way

always vaporize on ash/screen/herbs through a water pipe

I tried Changa for the first time last night, it was great but after 3 hrs I started feeling flu like symptms. I got a fever, sweats, sore body and a splitting headache. I didn't sleep well and needed 3 blankets to stay warm. My mix was 20x caapi leaf, pau d arco, muellin and spice. I used acetone to dissolve the D. which had completely evaporated.

My guess is these symptoms are from smoking concentrated caapi leaf. The spice was clean, and I doubt those other herbs would make me feel sick. It's possible that smoking caapi forces toxins out of the body leading the the sick feeling, or 'changa flu'. If this is true, caapi could be used along with fasting for a body cleanse.

I have been using a hookah lately myself. Place on the foil adjacent to to hot coals and it woks great. That plus a good bit of shisha makes it really nice.

Its funny you mention this because the "changa flu" is exactly why I bought a GVG. And when Im smoking my GVG I can tell a huge difference in the effects DMT has on me if I heat the pipe to much. The hotter the vaporization the more flu symptoms I get, but if I keep the temperature low enough I experience no symptoms at all and an all around cleaner feeling.

I noted the same thing Cosmic. Something about pyrolizing it reacts very badly with my body for some reason.

I have been doing a long session with oral harmalas and multiple tokes. In the dark, so I couldn't see much other than the light from the torch.

Doing great about 3 hrs in, then took another hit and my face started feeling hot and the symptoms started in... turned on the light and I burned the last hit. Almost an instant reaction. Weird.

Can the changa flu be related to serotonin syndrome. Like some kind of a DMT syndrome?

Personally I've never had the changa flu. But I've never done long sessions with changa. Just maybe two bowls vaped in 45 min. or so.

I don't really want to read all three pages of this thread, so if this is redundant please accept my apologies.

I will say I have worked extensively with attempting to vape harmalas. I found that at right around 400F in the electric vaporizer they release a tiny a bit of vapor, at 420F they are completely charred black. They do the same thing in the GVG, tiny amount of vapor then just char. In short harmalas just don't vape right IME.

Was that freebase?

Yep, I've tried with both really clean white freebase harmalas and less clean brown ones with the same outcome. I haven't tried with hcl at all, might be a worthy experiment actually.

Yeah, I noticed a similar thing. I have clogged several copper disks in my GVG goofing around with harmalas with little utility. I just burn em in a pipe/hookah/whatever.

Does this mean you don't get the full benefit of changa w/harmalas if you vaporize it instead of smoking it?

Funny, I have found harmalas vape nicely in the GVG, not quite as cleanly as DMT, but besides a few crumbs afterwards, the scrubber always ends up clean

harmalas don't really vape super well..if I stick a flame right on them I can get all the actives in the smoke though. It works but they are harsh to vape/smoke.

i find harmalas vape quite well in my machine, but as has been echoed, the vapor isn't as smooth as dmt.. i also find it takes quite a while to get all the vapor out of even a fairly small amount- after putting the torch lighter to the scrubber, the salt shaker fills with a white plume of vapor fairly instantly, but then I get many more hits out of it.. i prefer eating harmalas to vaping them.. i find it easier to get to a more visionary level that way

Agreed. I can get MAOI and some slight effects from smoking/vaping, but the real psychedelic experiences I've had were with oral doses.