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#1 Posted : 6/27/2012 3:54:29 AM

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Hello Nexus. I'd like to share my most recent three (of a total of 5) DMT experiences. The first two "breakthrough" experiences were utterly astounding, beyond anything I could have conceived, and doubtlessly impossible to articulate in language. I feel confidant placing them into the category of what's been termed "the breakthrough" because these experiences were so completely, utterly different from my initial meddlings and attempts with this incredible substance (or indeed any previous psychedelic-related experiences I've had), and just beyond awe-inspiring. The third and most recent experience was, however, quite difficult (to say the least) and a lesson on the importance of carefully attending to one's prior set and setting...I hope to receive some feedback, criticism, and help in integrating these experiences.

THE GOOD:

The first two experiences of the DMT flash that I underwent were two of the most astonishing, incredibly profound – and incredibly bizarre - experiences of my life thus far. I guarantee my words will fail to do it any justice.

Sometime directly after the typical threshold and "come-up" phenomena - the intensification of awareness, colors, rushing sounds, and various closed-eye visual patterns that occurs when one finishes toking on his pipe - there was a short lapse in my awareness, and the very next thing I experienced was a bursting through into what I can only describe as previously hidden pocket, or dimension, of a somewhat rounded "space". The dimensions and size of this realm, while not totally discernible to me, were constantly morphing. The space quickly became more expansive, geometrically decompartmentalizing at the corners or edges and opening itself into to even larger spaces beyond. In order to perceive this space's expansion, it seemed that my field of vision had somehow become expanded as well. It was as if my very perception "opened up," and I could view this vast chamber from beyond my periphery.

However, this space or realm was not empty. It was teeming with information that was composed of luminous, vibratory energies - the content of which was infinitely complex, multidimensional, and wholly unlike anything in the ordinary world, as well as unlike anything I have previously witnessed on psychedelics. But it wasn't merely abstract "stuff." It was highly coherent and laden with meaning, and was spontaneously manifesting all around me - forms flooding my awareness. It is difficult bring back in memory precisely what this torrent of information consisted of, but it has made me think of the so-called "Platonic Ideas." It was a kind of cosmic, archetype-spewing creatrix, and I was lucky enough to have front-row seats!

Soon, however, it seemed that everything began to settle into particular "theme." I realized now that the space was also inhabited by several extremely curious beings. They were a combination of elf, alien, and hyperspatial technology - but of course these are all words. Their features, movements, and interactions were beyond anything I could have imagined in my wildest dreams. They had odd pointy facial features (if it was a face!), conical heads and bodies, and came in a range of vivid colors – again, it's difficult to articulate exactly what they looked like. Some of them (one or two) rushed up to me, dancing and flailing their arms and hands right in front of my own face. Some of them actually pressed their hands upon my head and face as if to stabilize my awareness, either for their own examination of me, or to fix my attention upon them. Others were undergoing liquid like transformations in the background, moving in ways that were endlessly fascinating and bizarre.

They were also speaking in an audible language, or at least were producing odd series of noises. Of course, I didn't understand any of this in the slightest bit, but overlaid on top these sounds, they seemed to be sending "meaning" to me telepathically. Among other things I can't recall very well, the said, to my amazement, that I had been here before, that a part of me in some sense always existed in this realm. They were urging me to "remember." Indeed, one of the most profound aspects of this experience was its eerie familiarity. As soon as I was "there", I thought: “Oh, yes!" This! How could I have forgotten this? I know this place. I remember these things..." Immersed in this state, I felt a strong intuition that this realm was the realm within which my consciousness existed just prior to birth, immediately after my death, and, in fact, where part of it exists all the time while I am alive – like a holding area that exists outside and parallel to my ordinary, waking-state stream of consciousness.

Obviously a large ontological pill to swallow! Nevertheless, these visions were SO realistic that I found it very difficult (and I'm still finding it difficult) to doubt that they had some sort of mind-independent reality.

I slowly drifted back from the DMT flash, briefly passing through a soft, womblike white room (which seems to have been described by others elsewhere on the Nexus). I was literally crying tears of amazement, saying “wow, wow, WOW!” over and over again. I could feel my personal memories, thoughts, habits, and ego-narrative coalescing back into my awareness. A half to an hour later I was completely back to "normal". I was absolutely astonished!

Since then, I've been thinking about this experience quite a lot, and about how to make sense of it. Naturally, I'm experiencing some ongoing cognitive dissonance about all of this! What, exactly, just happened?!

Two days afterward I underwent a second breakthrough experience, and again I experienced the same sense of familiarity and purpose/meaning, with all doubts vanishing instantly (if anything the second experience was even more vivid/intense, and somewhat of a continuation of the first). It occurred to me then, that perhaps the only way to truly know about the nature of a DMT experience is to experience it directly for oneself. Simply by thinking rationally about it can only get one so far. In other words, “just shut up and look." Of course, upon reentry into embodied, waking awareness, with memory quickly fading, a lot of skepticism I harbored returned. However, it's undeniable that these experiences left an indelible mark on me, and I simply cannot shake the sense that I have learned something highly significant about the world.


THE SLAP:

[Previously, I've had very limited experience with psychedelic substances: Twice in the past, I had taken a moderate doses of psilocybin. Based on these encounters with this particular psychedelic, I found it difficult to fathom the possibility that one could indeed find him/herself helpless in the throes of a so-called “bad trip.” After all: for me, the most negative effects of psilocybin were the feelings of restlessness and agitation that accompanied the comedown. Needless to say, I was quite naïve when it came to DMT.]

Unfortunately, the most recent of my excursions with DMT was disastrous, to say the very least. I'm not going to get into the details, because I simply do not want to go through efforts of recalling such memories right now (I know I'll have to eventually).

My experience was, and this is no exaggeration, hellish. An eternity of hell. Terror and confusion unlike anything I have ever known. Violent. I thought I overdosed. Maybe I did – I realized later I may have stupidly tried to smoke around 60 mg, partly by weighing accident. I began to hyperventilate. I felt like I was dying – my heart was racing, irregularly pounding in my rib cage, my body temperature rising. I almost vomited into my mouth and struggled to choke it back down. I panicked and thought, “This is what it is like to die while tripping."

At first, I tried to ride with it, just like I had coached myself if I ever happen to find myself in such a drug induced hell. My thoughts were, “Death is inevitable: Why not succumb to to it now and finally see where it takes me?” But images of the people I loved and who loved me welled up in my mind, and I realized how sad they would be if I croaked prematurely, and in this way. I felt as if, in this bout of irresponsibility and stupidity, that I would be committing a mortal sin against them. So I resisted death, and instead found myself in a hellish state.

Of course, this the opposite of good psychedelic advice. And to make matters worse, I thought about the time: “Just 10 minutes...The drug will be completely metabolized in 10 minutes”, I tried to reason. Grasping desperately for a way out, I tried to visualize myself as an adept meditator (which I was not), unmoved by all of the objects that were tormenting me. Eventually, it abated. I lay down for an hour on the hard floor panting, stunned, feeling confused and betrayed by the very substance I had so revered days before.

Right now, as I am finishing writing this, I realize this is powerful, substance with multifaceted effects. There's more that needs to be explored through this substance. But I need to take a break and evaluate my "set" and "setting", what might have led to this latter experience.

I would greatly appreciate it if some of you more experienced Nexians could offer me some advice on how to integrate these experiences, and especially how re-approach this substance safely, in such a way that reduces the possibility of having a “bad trip”. Also, I would be very interested to hear about your various perspectives on DMT experiences, and how you arrived at those conclusions, however tentative they may be.

EDIT: Around a month after this was posted, I made another attempt, going very slowly. Rolling eyes The return was glorious...Hooray! Drool
 

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#2 Posted : 6/27/2012 4:18:32 AM

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It takes alot of time to integrate something like that.
Be patient and live your life the best way you can.
Spend time with family and friends. travel make stuff etc...
it gets better over time and will eventually feel like a distant dream.

I had a similar kind of terrifying experience a few years back.
It took me a long time to return to it.
now I run a pretty tight ship with it and always measure doses
and never get lulled into a false sense of security.
that being said facing fear is a big part of all this so
its possible this hard experience could end up to be very significant for you on many different levels.

Its like playing in large ocean waves.

The first part of your experience sounded amazing.

all the best to you
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#3 Posted : 6/27/2012 5:28:44 AM

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First part sounds like a DMT experience people die to have!
The last part sounds like a DMT experience of ego death.

I am not experienced at all in breakthroughs. But it sounds like jumping off a cliff. All or nothing.
I get to think the more experiences you have, the "better experienced" you become.
You will enter a trip and see these things coming, you know it from before, so you know what to do again and again.
You will have the best experiences and the worst, but eventually you will just know what to do.

Best of luck!

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#4 Posted : 6/27/2012 11:47:10 AM
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#5 Posted : 6/27/2012 12:40:46 PM

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WOW, I never thought of it from this perspective. Your death would definitely hurt others. I have a son, and if I end up in a trip like that, I'd be just as devastated as you. BUT I still remember my favorite Plato dialogue where Socrates spends the whole evening trying to calm down and soothe everyone who is crying over his death sentence. He's just as cool as a fruit salad cause HE KNOWS there is no death. The fact that people around you are sleeping, that everyone around you is afraid of death and delusional, doesn't mean YOU have to be in their movie. Even in the movie of your closest ones.
 
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#6 Posted : 6/27/2012 5:34:22 PM

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I have experienced this sort of thing a couple of times in my numerous experiences with DMT over the last year or so of experiments. Where does it come from? That is an interesting question.

I believe it is self induced. I think we are part of hyperspace and vice versa. When you partake you are accessing deep deep waters of consciousness, and not all of it is nice. I often wonder what horrible people's experiences are like with it...

It's a bit like a psychedelic car crash, you lose control of your 'vehicle' (by going too fast / being careless with dosage) and slam into a wall of fear and panic, while your ego struggles to survive. You have about 5-10 minutes to try and rectify the situation, but really once that has happened, you are out of your depth. I was any way!

It is ultimate unpleasantness. Really hard to deal with both during and after. As with any traumatic event, time will help you come to terms with it, and it will make you stronger and wiser, although maybe not in the way you had hoped! DMT is just like that. I find it hard to muster the courage to smoke anything more than about 15mg - but it is always worth it in the end.

My advice is to have a long break, at least a month, with no psychedelics. Let your brain and psyche re-calibrate. Meditate, take exercise, enjoy normal consensual reality for a while before coming back. And when you do, DO NOT SMOALK 70mgs!!! 15mg is a good re-introduction IMO, and if you are vaping efficiently, there is no real need to go over 30mg (YMMV)

My 'car crash' experiences may be of interest to you, sounds like there are some similarities in what we have experienced. Have a read if it takes your fancy.

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It does pass, and the urge to go back will come back in time, no need to force things... I hope your doing ok my friend, it happens to the best of us! Twisted Evil

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#7 Posted : 7/1/2012 10:31:02 PM
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This sounds just like an experience I had
which I too believe was cause by too large
of a dose. I've since been trying to find
the "sweet spot" dose. I tried in vain to
open my eyes & make it all start to go away.
My heart raced, I felt like I couldn't catch
my breath. I was thrust into a zone which
I was not invited & the beings there were
not amused. I've since tried to gauge my
dose based on the onset of the headrush.
I also told myself that it probably wouldn't
have been nearly as shocking had I simply
relaxed as much as possible and didn't resist,
which is what I plan to do if I find myself
in that situation again..

 
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#8 Posted : 7/3/2012 4:15:14 AM

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I'm very interested to know if you went into to your DMT trips with a spiritual Mindset? I guess a better question would be...Do you perform any kind of spiritual rituals before your trips, for instance, Sage Blessings, Creating Sacred Space, or Prayer of any kind, do you ask God to guide you at all before you enter Hyperspace?
 
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#9 Posted : 7/7/2012 8:33:17 PM

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On my second trip I began to focus on my breathing and began to fear that I would stop breathing and die... I was in a metalic hospital like geometric envionment. Fortunatly this fear passed after a moment or two. I tried to remember that this was a short term thing and whatever I was experiencing would end soon and I retuned to an enjoyable experience.

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#10 Posted : 7/7/2012 9:44:57 PM
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I had an experience back in May that shook me by it's intensity. Please read when you get a chance. https://www.dmt-nexus.me...aspx?g=posts&t=33032

Intense..isn't it? Smile As others have said.. meditation, exercise, or some sort of outlet where you have a great deal of passion for...a sort of "release". This finding of such a thing is very helpful when we have a very, very intense experience. Like i've said before..I took nearly over a year of doing dmt due to a oral journey i had a few years back. It took alot of time for me to integrate what I had felt/seen/experienced....but I'm glad I waited...because now i'm healthier and happier then ever! But the link I posted above was a changa experience I had vaped/smoked 40+mg in a bong in ONE hit.....I had actually been sitting in my computer room when I did it..totally not expecting what was going to prove to be THEE strongest experience i've ever had to date.

The experience literally was instantaneous. I took the entire dose, cashed the bong, held it...and literally in 2-3 seconds MAX...I was completely gone. Didn't have any sort of time to wonder "WTF did I do!?". There was no initial comeup at all,,,,none whatsoever. Breaking through the breakthrough. But i'll just let you read it for I don't feel like trying to explain it again..for it forever changed my view on the dmt experience.

My views on what this's all about? Hehe...well.. I feel with 99% certainty that this experience is the bottom rung of everything including us. Essentially everything is made out of pure joy/happines/creativity. The irreducible ground of divinity underlying everything. Pure, unrestrained, ethereal consciousness. There's many names for it. A space that's completely impartial, completely devoid of any sort of right/wrong...for it doesn't work in any sort of dualistic concepts such as that.

I could go on n on, but all I know is that it's something sacred, amazingly powerful and beautiful, and I'm extremely fortunate to have found an experience such as this.

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