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#1 Posted : 6/16/2012 11:34:00 AM

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#2 Posted : 6/16/2012 2:48:45 PM
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It can be negative in any manner, for example mocking etc.
The hyperspace is so vast and it contains every kind of things unimagineable and it's only natural that one will encounter more or less negative things/visions/feelings when out there. It's part of DMT, accepting these experiences.
If you want to end unpleasant visions you can try to stand up and move somewhere else, this has worked for me once.

There are though those experiences where it's best to face the negativity as it can have something to do with one's thoughts and actions and can help in the long run, for example facing ones fears. Then I believe there are those where it's best to try to finish it ASAP and tell possible negative entities to F'k off(I have done this several times and it kind of works).

I have always wondered why it has to be so tough at times, but at least it keeps the high seekers at bay.

For me most unpleasant experiences have been triggered by excessive use or smoalking at the wrong time(when mind and body doesn't feel 100% hyperspace ready)

Also you can try to keep your doses under 24mg.

Good luck and I'm sure you can find some help or new POVs here!

 
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#3 Posted : 6/16/2012 2:59:33 PM

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#4 Posted : 6/16/2012 5:45:32 PM
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Hello,

I'm not making any type of moral judgement on you but I will suggest that perhaps there may be certain negative things things you do or choices you make in your day to day life that may be essentially feeding this entity...

To put it in simple terms, the more negative energy you produce in everyday life, the more negative energy this thing will have to use against you when you trip. My suggestion would be to get introspective with yourself and really look closely at your personal behavior, there may be some obvious modifications you might find that need to be made.

I have personally often found that these dark entities harass me only when I have in a sense "invited" them to do so by radiating too much negative energy in my day to day life.

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#5 Posted : 6/16/2012 5:55:30 PM
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I haven't had dmt for months - tried it 4 times and was left intimidated by the experience. Not sure that i saw anything negative, more a mixture of awe and terror. I'm quite a rational person and have studied science - dmt seems to turn my logical view of the world on its head. I'd like to try it again sometime but have put it off for a while now.

One thing to remember is that whatever you see can't hurt you. You'll be back to normal in a few minutes so might as well try to enjoy the ride.
 
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#6 Posted : 6/16/2012 6:09:20 PM
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virtualmark wrote:
I haven't had dmt for months - tried it 4 times and was left intimidated by the experience. Not sure that i saw anything negative, more a mixture of awe and terror. I'm quite a rational person and have studied science - dmt seems to turn my logical view of the world on its head.


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BTW, to the OP: You might want to ask yourself or analyze the vision you had and think if it had some kind of reference to your real relationship with your parents. It can have somekind of message, or maybe it was just some entity messing with you, who knows...
 
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#7 Posted : 6/17/2012 4:51:05 PM

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Thankyou for the responses, I feel much better about it all and have realized it was trying to make me let go of certain negative energy's.
I have always been very close to my family and have always carried a guilt with me due to my psychedelic use. I feel like the weight of guilt has been lifted.
It was the mix of that and the sheer intensity that had left me in awe (I was convinced that my reality wasn't real after the experience, but what is real?)

Thanks again, and I am now looking forward to my next journey. Big grin

 
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#8 Posted : 6/17/2012 6:10:44 PM

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virtualmark wrote:

One thing to remember is that whatever you see can't hurt you. You'll be back to normal in a few minutes so might as well try to enjoy the ride.


This is true. But not all true. What types of hurt are there? Physical? Mental? A lot of people including me feel the mental part of DMT or an experience in life that stuck in my head and I repeat it over and over. Sure you see the images in DMT and wakeup our come down off of the trip and say "holy BEEP! That was some crazy stuff!" then you try to put that puzzle together and analize it. One might go bonkers repeating something like entities ripping apart other beings and eating them. Or a vison of something that is close to your heart, maybe a loved one who has passed.

My point is, hurt is mental to. DMT can leave you in a state which makes you confused and hurt. Not always. But sometimes. DMT trip is short, but the memories can live on!
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#9 Posted : 6/17/2012 6:37:00 PM
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Yeah and there have been experiences with reported physical pain/discomfort on vaporized DMT, I've felt this too.

And it's also best to know that it isn't all about surrendering to the experience but in case of negative entity/journey it's not a bad idea to fight it back(which works IME), just like one would in "normal reality". I know from experience that there are real a---ole entities, too, and I wish I could whoop their assLaughing

Electric Kool-Aid wrote:
virtualmark wrote:

One thing to remember is that whatever you see can't hurt you. You'll be back to normal in a few minutes so might as well try to enjoy the ride.


This is true. But not all true. What types of hurt are there? Physical? Mental? A lot of people including me feel the mental part of DMT or an experience in life that stuck in my head and I repeat it over and over. Sure you see the images in DMT and wakeup our come down off of the trip and say "holy BEEP! That was some crazy stuff!" then you try to put that puzzle together and analize it. One might go bonkers repeating something like entities ripping apart other beings and eating them. Or a vison of something that is close to your heart, maybe a loved one who has passed.

My point is, hurt is mental to. DMT can leave you in a state which makes you confused and hurt. Not always. But sometimes. DMT trip is short, but the memories can live on!

 
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#10 Posted : 6/18/2012 2:01:17 PM

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Electric Kool-Aid wrote:
virtualmark wrote:

One thing to remember is that whatever you see can't hurt you. You'll be back to normal in a few minutes so might as well try to enjoy the ride.


This is true. But not all true. What types of hurt are there? Physical? Mental? A lot of people including me feel the mental part of DMT or an experience in life that stuck in my head and I repeat it over and over. Sure you see the images in DMT and wakeup our come down off of the trip and say "holy BEEP! That was some crazy stuff!" then you try to put that puzzle together and analize it. One might go bonkers repeating something like entities ripping apart other beings and eating them. Or a vison of something that is close to your heart, maybe a loved one who has passed.

My point is, hurt is mental to. DMT can leave you in a state which makes you confused and hurt. Not always. But sometimes. DMT trip is short, but the memories can live on!


A large part of the psycho-spiritual trauma is derived specifically from not being able to let go. Resistance is what causes the bulk of the damage IME. The same experience that tears you apart can leave you feeling completely different ways depending on one's ability to let go/surrender. The kicker is that the whole notion of letting go applies to real life and integration as well. So you bring up the example of a vision of a loved one who has passed. Emotional trauma from this kind of experience would stem from the inability to let go of that loved one. Similarly, memories that repeat over and over can also be alleviated by strengthening one's ability to surrender. It's the resistance to loops, or thoughts, or feelings or whatever that is the harbinger of trauma.
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#11 Posted : 6/18/2012 2:22:58 PM

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virtualmark wrote:
I haven't had dmt for months - tried it 4 times and was left intimidated by the experience. Not sure that i saw anything negative, more a mixture of awe and terror. I'm quite a rational person and have studied science - dmt seems to turn my logical view of the world on its head. I'd like to try it again sometime but have put it off for a while now.

One thing to remember is that whatever you see can't hurt you. You'll be back to normal in a few minutes so might as well try to enjoy the ride.


I'm really, really interested in the way people of science interpret DMT. Please do go on...
 
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#12 Posted : 6/18/2012 2:24:08 PM

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Global wrote:
A large part of the psycho-spiritual trauma is derived specifically from not being able to let go. Resistance is what causes the bulk of the damage IME. The same experience that tears you apart can leave you feeling completely different ways depending on one's ability to let go/surrender. The kicker is that the whole notion of letting go applies to real life and integration as well. So you bring up the example of a vision of a loved one who has passed. Emotional trauma from this kind of experience would stem from the inability to let go of that loved one. Similarly, memories that repeat over and over can also be alleviated by strengthening one's ability to surrender. It's the resistance to loops, or thoughts, or feelings or whatever that is the harbinger of trauma.


Couldn't have said it better. That's it, yeah.
 
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#13 Posted : 6/19/2012 7:13:37 AM

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The worst thing anybody can do to you is kill you. But we are all dead anyway so why worry? That's how I deal with the craziness in this world & the next. Most of the time I can use willpower to push the negative entities away. There are some that can and will defeat me. That's life. I learn from my defeat and move on. Sometimes I think the spice purposely pokes at the chinks in our armor to make us better beings.

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#14 Posted : 6/21/2012 5:45:00 AM

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What if there are no negative trips, just uncomfortable ones. Sometimes the ones that are the least comfortable are the most necessary for us to undertake since they will guide us to a better place. If we fight through the negativity we can then reach the positive, and fill ourselves up with more of that positive energy.
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#15 Posted : 6/21/2012 12:54:31 PM

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Triumph wrote:
What if there are no negative trips, just uncomfortable ones. Sometimes the ones that are the least comfortable are the most necessary for us to undertake since they will guide us to a better place. If we fight through the negativity we can then reach the positive, and fill ourselves up with more of that positive energy.


I don't mean to pick on semantics here, but you can't have positive without negative. It just doesn't make any sense. I think there are most certainly negative trips. Now that's not to say that they can't be transformative and that you can't take away a lot of positivity from it. I've had an experience that was filled with sharp physical pains everywhere, and the sensations of being manipulated and violated by dark energies. I didn't freak out, and kept my cool, but it was most certainly a negative experience. I do agree that negativity can be a major springboard into the positive though.
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"Man fears time, but time fears the Pyramids" - 9th century Arab proverb
 
 
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